...but I heartily agree with this recent Clinton comment on the Florida primary:
We are turning this into a major battle that I think is really ill serving the party.
--Christopher Orr
Posted: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:03 PM with 12 comment(s)
It's sad that she's lying about leading the popular vote, but HRC's comparison to the 2000 Florida recount is simply beyond the pale.
when will this tiresome woman leave us alone.
That is one of those statements that causes you to go "did she really say that"? This Tribune of the People didn't mind racking up the superdelegates (before the tide turned on her there, as well). If her lead among the supers had widened and had overcome Obama's plurality of the popular vote, we wouldn't be hearing any of this fiery populist talk from her. I have been a supporter of Hillary because I don't think that Obama is ready for prime time. There is - at least potentially a vast chasm between supreme eloquence and steady competence, But Hillary makes it difficult to support her.
WoodyBombay-
Hillary's lies about leading in the popular vote--counting the illegal primaries in Michigan and Florida, not counting the caucuses that Obama won, as well as the comparison to the 2000 Florida recount--these lies and distortions are so egregious, I'm thinking about starting a petition to impeach her from her NY Senate seat.
A sociopath, no other word.
wandrey, even more than that, it is simply evil. Before the process started she could have pushed for the 1/2 punishment inflicted on MI and Fl. She didn't. She helped write the rules that created the mess and signed a pledge to uphold them. I am certain that she will scream that the nomination was stolen from her because she "won" the popular vote. She is truly a disgrace to the nation. Mitt Romney exhibited more class when he ceased running after Super Tuesday, and Mike Huckabee ran only as a stalking horse so McCain could make nice speeches. I am tempted to move to NY (I have property in Windsor, NY) just so I can vote against her in 2012 Senate race.
blackton-
If you do move to NY, let's start a petition to impeach Hillary from her Senate seat.
It's time for Supers to step in and shut this down. And for that matter it's time for her own supporters, her own Supers, to move to Obama and throw this disgusting woman out the door. She's a disgrace to the party. A disgrace to democracy with this crap she's peddling about Florida and Michigan. Our national politics will be better when she's no longer a part of it. I can think of nothing worse to say about someone and she deserves nothing better.
Hillary is Machiavellian, no question, but this "sociopath" nonsense from people who aren't even amateur psychologists is just over the top. Would that term apply to the Great One as well? Not that many Obamaphiles know it - or would even care to know it - but Obama himself can be quite an operator, such as when he got that woman - his opponent - bounced from the ballot in Illinois (imagine the outrage among the faux moralists if it had been Hill that had done that). It is simply amazing the rationaliztions that people wrap around their minds and the cardboard stereotypes that they construct. And by way of explanation for the semi-literate, I am not equating Obama and Hillary; she is clearly a better student of The Prince than he is. I have been attacked by one moron out here more than once for being an extreme "Hillarista" even as I am extremely ambivalent about her and I have stated so many times on this website.
LR, if Hillary spent more time trying to win votes instead of spinning every bit of news she might have won. She ignored caucus states, then belittled them when she lost them, whereas if she made an effort she certainly would have done much better and would probably be in striking distance of Obama now. I never liked her going into this (I am against dynastism) but months ago, after a few early debates and a Letterman interview I found myself actually liking her as a person, she has long since buried that. And for the record, I am not an Obamaphile, I preferred Gore before all this began and thought Obama was running for VP, but he has been far and away a better person than Hillary has been.
This right here is why the 17th Amendment is such a bad idea. Direct election of Senators? For six-year terms? Talk about a lack of accountability. I much prefer the Constitution's original system of election by state legislatures. Back in the day, legislatures used to recall their senators left and right if they didn't like how they voted or behaved. Hillary hasn't actually done anything impeachable. But before the 17th Amendment, her state legislature could simply have passed a resolution requiring her resignation.
The upshot of Hillary's kamikaze campaign: Every new party-rending argument takes her one step further from any future Senate leadership position.
LR, I'd just like to point out that challenging the signatures is standard practice in Chicago politics, and his opponent dropped out rather than try to defend her signatures; mean...perhaps, but it is all by the rules. I find it curious that so many people seem to think playing by the rules means playing nice, and vice versa.
Also, she wasn't the only person Obama knocked off of a ballot, and the others did challenge the challenge and all were shown to have collected invalid signatures; he did his homework before challenging the other people, so she knew he did his homework before he challenged her. And of course, no one challenged him because...wait for it...he did his homework on his own signatures.
Notice any patterns?