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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
16.05.2008
"Naïve and Irresponsible"

While it was a bit choppy, I'd have to say Obama's speech today was an epochal stride towards dismantling the conservative advantage on foreign policy--attacking its rhetorical substructure in way Democrats have not done before.

To wit, by saying John McCain's Iraq policy "isn't about winning; it's about staying," he called out the talismanic conservative obsession with "victory"--a psychologically satisfying trope wielded, to great effect, against Harry Truman's policy of containment and the "backstabbers" that "lost Vietnam" (cf. Why Not Victory?, Victory is Possible, and Choosing Victory for more historical examples)--and replaced it with a more accurate description of reality.

Second, by calling the conservative approach to Iran "naïve," he turned the rhetorical tables in an important way. Their policy is naïve. It basically posits that with enough "moral clarity" and willpower, which--absent military rollback--manifests itself in the real world as name-calling and posturing, America's enemies will simply capitulate.

That is stupid on its face. But liberals often point this out in a studious, technocratic way that makes them sound like Piggy from Lord of The Flies--allowing Republicans to exploit the nagging, Spenglerian suspicion Democrats will lead America to defeat and civilizational collapse.

By appropriating "naïve," Obama inoculates himself from this charge, makes conservatives look like children, and attacks their stewardship in a way that's satisfying on a gut level--as well as a rational one.

--Barron YoungSmith

Posted: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:18 PM with 13 comment(s)

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icarusr said:

And a cogent and persuasive post.

May 16, 2008 3:58 PM

GSpinks said:

The only thing more interesting than your thoughts is your stunning use of metaphor and simile.

May 16, 2008 4:04 PM

liberal reformer said:

This was indeed a deft move by Obama, Barron. The Democrats have been terrible at framing foreign policy issues since time out of mind. The staying vs. winning locution turns the tables on the conservatives. I still wonder , though, if Obama will be able to take the sustained pounding he will get.

May 16, 2008 4:09 PM

adamvaught said:

Liberal reformer,

I have a question for you--and I hope you don’t take it personally: Do you have a job?

Many talkbackers comment frequently–myself included–but you seem to view posting as your civic duty: Barely a thread goes by without your thoughts.

I certainly don’t mean this as a criticism--everyone should feel free to share their thoughts. But the amount of time it must take to comment on each and every single thread is, well, breathtaking. And it’s not only the amount of threads. You almost always make the first comment, and if not, you’re within the top three or four. It’s mind-boggling. You must have your browser set to refresh every 10 seconds or so.

So that’s why I ask if you have a job: Because you must have a lot of free-time. But--more importantly--if you do have a job, is your employer hiring?

Thanks.

May 16, 2008 4:27 PM

boneill said:

LR, when has he shown an inability to take a pounding?

May 16, 2008 4:28 PM

hemlock41 said:

Great analysis, Barron.  Now hopefully Obama can keep delivering this message in such a way that the "turning of the tables" sticks.

Love the Piggy reference.

May 16, 2008 4:35 PM

liberal reformer said:

Adamvaught: As I have posted before at TNR online, I have a disability. My condition is an odd and idiosyncratic one involving my balance and other parameters, so I have the time. It is difficult for me even to use my computer for sustained periods but I having been doing so anyway and have been suffering some backlash effects lately. At the same time, it has been good for my morale because it focuses me on intellectual matters. I will probably have to pare back on my computer use but I am having fun while I can.

Boneill: As articles in TNR have noted, Obama was slow to respond to Hillary's pounding earlier this year.

May 16, 2008 5:11 PM

adamvaught said:

liberal reformer,

I'm glad posting is enjoyable. It certainly is for me. The posters here are uncommonly bright, informed, and good writers. I've learned much since I began posting, and throughly enjoy it. It's good to see I'm not the only one. I hope for your continued enjoyment.

Adam

May 16, 2008 11:56 PM

cspencef said:

I'm less concerned about future pounding (it will happen regardless, we'll see how the Obama camp handles it) than whether this admittedly shrewd formulation will get any traction with those who aren't already firmly in the Democratic camp.  Does Obama have the discipline to keep pounding away at the idea until it subconsciously becomes the default label for Republican foreign policy?  

It's tougher than it should be, because it asks Americans to forsake some glamorous self-idealizing mythology ("shining city on a hill" kind of stuff) and substitute some hard-headed realism, not a thing that comes very naturally to certain pockets of the US population.

May 17, 2008 12:18 AM

psantillana said:

Oof, that Piggy comparison was spot spot on.

Also, did anybody see the video of McCain yelling at the press on his bus, he's in the center of that horseshoe and they're all calmly typing away and asking him in as many ways as they can rephrase, about whether 2013 is a deadline by which troops would be out in his administration, or - ?  A promise or a prediction or? And he keeps barking that he's not setting a deadline [but refusing to clarify the meaning of the 2013 date, no matter how they try to phrase it], and then at one point he just yells that we've already acheived victory there? And he's squirming like he wants out of the horseshoe.

May 17, 2008 2:55 AM

GSpinks said:

Make that MF squirm!! These are important questions he needs to address head on if he is going to start giving speeches like the one from Ohio (biting off of Barack, basically). The press needs to seriously belabour the details on McCain's "vision" for the status of Iraq in 2013, because it actually sounds a lot like his current position to me, and I don't want another S. Korea style "assistance plan".

May 17, 2008 11:35 AM

teplukhin2you said:

libref - I'm sorry to hear about your illness. I appreciate your posts and hope to see more, as your health permits.

best,

t

May 17, 2008 6:04 PM

The Plank said:

It's great that you're criticizing the Bush-McCain approach to Iran. That approach is ineffective

May 19, 2008 7:25 PM