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09.05.2008
Michael Tomasky on the Unity Ticket

The idea of a Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton "unity ticket" has been floated quite a bit the last few days. But, seriously, is the idea any good? We asked a few friends of the magazine to weigh in. Here's Michael Tomasky, editor of Guardian America.

A part of me has lately warmed somewhat to the idea of Barack Obama asking Hillary Clinton to join him as his running mate. But on balance I still think he can do better in both substantive and symbolic terms.

The case for the unity ticket is pretty obvious and is implied in the adjective. Ed Kilgore made the case well here yesterday, and it's an argument worth taking seriously, which is why I've come around to it a little. And yet. ...

Actually there are several and yets. Number one: Substantively, something tells me that Vice President Clinton couldn't work very well with President Obama. She'd always be thinking, "Well, I'd have done it this way." She would demand, because of her stature, some kind of major portfolio. Her track record with major portfolios is other than encouraging.

And if Mr. Clinton as First Husband seemed problematic, what of him padding around the Naval Observatory? A former president married to a current president would at least mean that the two were working more or less as a team. A former president married to a current vice president who really thinks she should be president creates the potential for way too much mischief that could undermine the president.

Back around 1999 and 2000, when Rudy Giuliani's aides were floating the idea that he'd be a superb vice presidential choice for a GOP nominee, Al Sharpton was asked to comment on the prospect and said something like: Whoever hires Giuliani as his vice-president better also hire a food-taster. This wouldn't be that bad. But let me put it this way: If I were Obama, I'd try to avoid general anesthesia for the duration of my presidency.

Okay, back to politics. One problem is that I think a Clinton choice would be aimed solely at Democrats. It would be popular among them, but what about non-Democrats? Let's note something that's been little remarked upon so far this season. People keep talking about the stunning turnout in these primaries, and, for primaries, this has surely been the case. About 33 million people have voted.

But how many people voted in the last general election? Around 122 million. With interest seeming higher this year, and if Obama can indeed register many new voters, there is every reason to think that 100 million more people will vote on November 4 than have voted cumulatively over the last 18 weeks. Hillary on the ticket would clearly go down well among a large majority of the 33 million who've voted. But what about the other 100 million? How would putting Hillary Clinton on the ticket strike them?

It would depend of course on who they are. She has performed reasonably well among independents, especially more recently, so maybe this is a false alarm. But I suspect that by and large, her popularity is limited to Democrats. Which means I'm not sure she'd help in the traditional way vice presidential candidates are supposed to help.

And it's possible she could even hurt. If she'd been the nominee, or if she still somehow manages to become it, we can be certain that many millions of conservatives would come out to vote against her. They would not do so in anything like similar numbers if she were merely the bottom half of the ticket. But some number would. She could serve as a sort of "tipping-point" of negative motivation for conservatives. That is, Obama combined with X--Sam Nunn, say; and he's not my candidate, but I mean that kind of person--would be bad from the conservative point of view. But an Obama-Clinton ticket would be an out-and-out crisis. Obama has enough of his own problems.

Finally, I don't think she makes up for Obama's weaknesses as well as some other possible choices would. His biggest substantive problem against John McCain is going to involve proving gravitas on national security and the fight against terrorism. Clinton has of course taken steps to shore up her national-security credentials over the years, but she doesn't "signify" national-security toughness in the minds of swing voters. Additionally, I think I'd very much prefer that his vice presidential nominee not have supported the war in Iraq. A pro-Iraq war vice-president could weaken the president's hand domestically in trying to resolve the situation.

Obama does have solemn work to do in courting and persuading not the Clintons themselves but her voters. He will need to be creative and aggressive in reaching out to them and being genuine to them, and his campaign needs to take this very seriously. But I think it can be done via avenues other than offering her the vice-presidency. I have a preferred choice, which I'll reveal with home-field advantage over at the Guardian when the time is right. I wouldn't be hostile to his selecting Clinton, but I think it brings more minuses than pluses.

--Michael Tomasky

*Because of an editing error, this piece was originally missing the last two paragraphs.

Related
Alan Wolfe: Using identity politics to move beyond identity politics.
Ed Kilgore: Obama should ask her, and she should accept.
Mark Schmitt: The party doesn't need that much repairing.
David A. Bell: Ten reasons not to pick Hillary Clinton as V.P.

Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:33 AM with 16 comment(s)

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roidubouloi said:

54% of Americans view Hillary Clinton unfavorably (going up is my guess).  58% of Americans view Hillary Clinton as untrustworthy.  I find this speculation about a "unity ticket" almost absurd.  Picking Hillary Clinton would make as much sense as jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge wearing cement overshoes.  There are many other choices that would be a plus for the ticket.  The idea of choosing the second most disliked politician in America (after George Bush) is just nuts.'

May 9, 2008 10:31 AM

liberal reformer said:

Thanks for a crisp piece on why an Obama - Clinton ticket would not be a good idea, Mr. Tomasky. There are so many reasons why Obama might not - and I think certainly will not - choose Hillary. She is so polarizing and she would almost certainly chafe in the v.p. slot as you suggest. But never mind the psychological aspects. Just from a raw political point of view, this is not a ticket - balancing choice. Two northern urban liberals, no white male in sight. The v.p. pick is going to be a white man, on both sides. Sorry teleplukhin2you, no Bobby Jindal for McCain. David Alexrod knows better than to select Hillary (you do, don't you David?).

May 9, 2008 10:34 AM

liberal reformer said:

Roidubouloi: It is nuts and that is why it won't happen. The political logic won't allow it. Events have made a monkey of me before, of course, as they do to all of us some times but I would truly be beyond amazed if she were annexed to the ticket.

May 9, 2008 10:44 AM

stgla said:

The fact that TNR is even bothering with this unity ticket discussion is baffling me.

May 9, 2008 10:59 AM

virginiacentrist said:

Stgla:

TNR does a great job batting down stupid memes. I encourage them to continue this.

Hillary on the Democratic ticket is basically like adding 1 million popular votes to the Republican total. She'll turnout the GOP base.

May 9, 2008 11:23 AM

WoodyBombay said:

"TNR does a great job batting down stupid memes."

TNR has posted four pieces on this, and half of them are in favor of this stupid meme. I don't know if they're really batting it down all that much yet.

May 9, 2008 11:42 AM

Rhubarbs said:

But Woody, the pieces posted in favor of the "Unity Ticket" have been even more effective in making the case against it than the opposing pieces. Nothing refutes a bad idea better than letting its advocates speak freely. Good on ya, TNR, for helping bury this foolish Hillary glory-grab.

Obama-Henry 2008: The Hopelahoma Ticket!

May 9, 2008 12:08 PM

Illuminismo said:

Just as good, if not better, than Sam Nunn, if he's healthy:

Bob Graham -- just consider it, at least.

Otherwise, probably the best line-up:  Barack and Joe (Biden)

May 9, 2008 12:20 PM

boneill said:

Rhubarbs, "Hopelahoma" makes me giggle every time.   I love it.

May 9, 2008 12:20 PM

LISAH said:

That these 2 are the choices we have is baffling. Or not. Reason for the "unity" crap is that silly widdle wiberals aren't quite ready to tank the female for the black guy. They're so on the  widdle wiberal PC fence. And if McCain overcomes his clear vulnerabilities, the Democrats will tank the election. Hell, by the fall, they'll be helping McCain overcome his vulnerabilities. Recent history will redux....

May 9, 2008 12:57 PM

ChanRobt said:

The problem is, instead of reinforcing each other, they neutralize each other.  They aren't really symbiotic.

Plus, what a double-albatross the two Clintons would be if he won wither her as VEEP.  He'd have to watch his back all the time to see what meddline they were doing.  

It would be an unprecedented problem for Obama having a husband-wife VP.  Similar to the problem a husband-wife presidency will be.  Something that hasn't been under focus lately since the Clintons are losing.

May 9, 2008 1:41 PM

The Daily Politics said:

Barack Obama has all-but erased Hillary Clinton's once-wide lead among national convention delegates. Obama delivered a speech on the economy and didn't mention Clinton once, although he had plenty to say about John McCain. Chelsea Clinton has a YouTube

May 9, 2008 4:59 PM

stichmo said:

I strongly agree that Obama (or Cllinton should she yet pull an upset) need a strong national security VP candidate.  Some potential running mats that come to mind are General Wesley Clark, Admiral Fallon, Colin Powell and General Shinseki.  All make John McCain look like a national security novice who can't tell a Sunni muslim from a Shia muslim--notwithstanding that he is a war hero who served his country honorably.

May 9, 2008 7:19 PM

ChanRobt said:

stichmo, I doubt Powell would run with Hillary.  And, I think Obama is too far left for Powell, though Powell's not an ideologue.  Not to mention that, unfortunately, two black guys on the ticket might be considered too adventurous.

The ticket I've been looking for is McCain-Powell.  Makes much more sense.

May 9, 2008 9:15 PM

roidubouloi said:

Well, sitchmo, what about Webb?

Chan, Powell will never be McCain's running mate unless McCain doesn't know what he is doing (a possibility).  McCain doesn't need to shore up his military cred.  It won't change many black votes.  It will make it hard for the Republicans to take advantage of whatever racist vote is out there.

Not gonna happen.  

I still think that McCain is going to shore himself up with the kleptocrat wing of the Republican party so that he doesn't have to watch his back throughout the campaign.  That suggests Romney.

May 10, 2008 12:00 AM

eynesbury said:

Putative nominee Obama desperately needs to get Gore onto the ticket to be his Dick Cheney. Like Nixon after he resigned Gore in ignominious defeat, then rising from the ashes to be the Green Ubermench, has made him intriguing and glamorous. But he will say: forget it. Therefore, Obama needs to get Senator Jay Rockerfeller as his running mate; 'Rocky' has the experience [gov and sen from W Virginia], the patrician steadiness, the national security cred, and is only dully handsome and thus hardly overshadow Obama's charisma. The latter needs to embrace his liberalism but fuse it with full-throttle patriotic rhetoric; about how we are going to crush our enemies as we did in WWII [when the US had a planned eco, by the way]. Obama needs to become a cross between Huey Long and General Patton. In recent primaries Hillary did relatively well with this fusion of aggressive Lefties and Righties, but Obama could do it a lot better -- if he's not too effete and too elitist?

This is only the outsider point of view of a South Australian.

May 10, 2008 2:36 AM