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08.05.2008
How Bad Was Clinton's Remark?

Over at The Stump, Mike asks:

If Hillary thinks white Americans won't elect a black president, is it so transgressive for her to say it out loud?

Generally speaking, one should not get in trouble for stating what they believe to be the truth. But it's a matter of context. Clinton is saying this about the man who is going to be the Democratic nominee for President; these comments are not happening in a vaccum. And if she really cares about electing a Democrat in November, she probably should not be saying such things. 

--Isaac Chotiner 

Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:12 PM with 13 comment(s)

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kwaller said:

I don't think "she really cares about electing a Democrat in November".  

Maybe she is running to be McCain's VP?

May 8, 2008 1:31 PM

scdrawe said:

What makes you think Hillary wants a Democrat other than herself elected President?  If Obama is elected, it basically ends her dream of becoming President.  If Obama is elected he will almost certainly be the Democratic nominee again in 2012.  In 2016 years she will be too old to make a realistic run.  She has known for at least two months that she will not win the Democratic nomination.  In my opinion, her campaign for the last two months has been designed to ensure that Obama loses in the fall so she can run and win in 2012.  Both continuing to run long after it is apparent to everyone that she cannot win and the type of campaign she has run (focusing on electibility--read white people will not vote for a black man, and Obama's relative lack of experience) support this conclusion.

May 8, 2008 1:35 PM

WoodyBombay said:

It is more offensive than Obama's "bitter" comment. It's a shame that it won't be acknowledged by the media as such, but it's true. It's beyond cynical - it's "Such a shame we're all racists, but we are and I'm more palatable than the black guy."

Even Republicans don't think that white America won't elect a black president. They think it'll be JC Watts or Michael Steele or one of their other stiffs, but still.

May 8, 2008 1:45 PM

fougasseu said:

Her remarks aren't a  big deal. Americans have short memories. They have the attention span of beagles. The only damage she's doing is to the most inner of inner circles within the Democratic Party.

They won't forget. They'll hold a grudge. These are the people who work 24/7 for their candidates, who are passionate about their agendas. HRC is finished after this primary season. She'll be off the national stage, for good.

May 8, 2008 1:53 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

I think its pretty clear that Hillary could care less about the Democrats - it's All Hillary All the Time.  Why doesn't anyone ask if America is ready to elect a monster?

May 8, 2008 1:53 PM

WaltB said:

I believe her (and Bill's) statements show the true Clinton mentality.  They also bring validity to Obama's talk on race and asking for a national dialog (whatever that really means) on it.  There's a lot of reality to African-American claims (Rev. Wright included) of continuing prejudice, much more than us white folks want to face up to.  The Clintons have shown our collective nastiness and we need to own up to it.

May 8, 2008 1:54 PM

Idefix said:

What is this thing that in 2016 she'll be too old? Everybody repeats it. She'll be 68, thus younger than McCain now. Or is it because past sixty a woman's years are counted as dog years?

No, the reason why she wouldn't make it in 2012 or 2016 is not her age. It's because it's Hillary.

May 8, 2008 1:58 PM

harriscrl3 said:

She can say it but i think at this point in the game its hurting the party and there is no point to it she should be working to bridge the party not split them further. Since its impossible for her to be the nominee at this point she saying that these people are going to vote for McCain. It is possible that McCain will get the majority of the white vote but that doesnt mean he will win if Hilary was running he would still get the majority of the white vote.

Carol

May 8, 2008 1:58 PM

GSpinks said:

It looks more like Hillary is trying to exhaust Republican ammunition for the General Election. if he can weather the issue of the "white voters", as well as he has handled the previous issues, that is one less "flaw" for Republicans to exploit in the fall. While disaffecting Obama supporters, its not really gaining her any votes in the electorate; but making Obama deal with the issue now will mean it is a non-issue in the fall.

May 8, 2008 1:59 PM

drdannyu said:

I admit that I don't understand the theory that Hillary is going to sabotage Obama in hopes of scoring the nomination in 2012.  That makes no sense.  She may be many things, but only an abject idiot would torpedo the party's nominee and expect to be forgiven and supported for the nomination four years later.  Party loyalists have long memories, and there's no way she could anticipate any kind of support for another run if she is held responsible for a loss to McCain.

That being said, this is only the latest in a series of appalling and tin-eared comments, which are part and parcel of why I am no longer supporting her.

May 8, 2008 2:38 PM

citizenghost said:

Woody nailed it:

"It's beyond cynical - it's "Such a shame we're all racists, but we are and I'm more palatable than the black guy."'

Exactly.  There's really no other way to spin it.  

May 8, 2008 2:38 PM

maldini said:

After hearing this comment I don't see how Supers sit still any longer. End this. It's best for the party, which means it's best for down ballot races in November. Push this disgusting, miserable phony to the side.

May 8, 2008 3:03 PM

mmathog said:

Her remark was fine, all she's saying is that they both have coalitions but hers has more room to grow in the general.

Of course her analysis has basic flaws... but she's desperate.

Anyway yeah, the race is over, everyone should find a way for a relatively quick and very graceful exit.

May 8, 2008 3:44 PM