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08.05.2008
Ed Kilgore on the Unity Ticket

The idea of a Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton "unity ticket" has been floated quite a bit the last few days. But, seriously, is the idea any good? We asked a few friends of the magazine to weigh in. Here's Ed Kilgore, managing editor of The Democratic Strategist, an online magazine.

There are a lot of obstacles to an Obama-Clinton "unity ticket." Maybe she doesn't want to be vice president. Maybe they or their staffs or their spouses can't get along. Maybe Clinton can't offer sufficient assurance of loyalty and subordination, or a practical plan to eat many unfortunate words she said about Obama during the primary competition. 

But if these obstacles can somehow be overcome, Obama should ask her to run with him, and she should accept. 

I know this is a deeply unpopular, even infuriating, suggestion to many Obama supporters who've watched the Clinton campaign savage their champion for many months. Indeed, some of them think the vanquishing of the Clintons from power in the Democratic Party is the whole point of the Obama "movement." Why, many ask, should Obama take on Hillary's "baggage" after finally defeating her at the cost of so much blood, sweat, tears, money, and approval-ratings points? 

The answer is simple, and for me at least, overwhelmingly compelling. Right now the Democratic Party is deeply divided, as evidenced by the steadily rising number of Democratic primary voters threatening to take a dive in November. Those divisions are, in fact, John McCain's most important political asset. Yet they are not about ideology, or about policy issues, really; they are about these two Democratic politicians, and all the symbolic freight each has assumed.  The easiest way, the fastest way, and the only sure way, to heal these divisions is to unite their sources on a single ticket. 

Sure, many, perhaps most, disgruntled Clinton voters will "come home" in any event, and Obama could appeal to some vulnerable constituencies through a different choice for running-mate. But nothing quite scratches the itch like a unity ticket. 

Would Hillary Clinton as a vice presidential candidate overshadow Obama? There's no reason to think that; his candidacy remains the big political story of the year. And let's have no illusions that if the Clintons are assigned a minor role in the fall campaign, they won't be a distraction. For one thing, the Democratic National Convention, no matter how well stage-managed it is, will be "about" Obama's narrow margin of victory and his and others' efforts to unite the party. A unity ticket will greatly enhance the positive side of that story. As for the much-cited idea that Hillary's presence on the ticket will "energize" conservatives, I think the events of the last few weeks have abundantly shown their willingness to whip themselves up in a hate frenzy towards Barack Obama as much as Clinton. 

Symbolism aside, Hillary Clinton would bring some tangible political assets to the Democratic ticket. Even if you dismiss her relative strength in the primaries among white working-class voters, older voters, Appalachians, or Catholics as ephemeral or irrelevant to a general election campaign, there is simply no denying her personal and positive appeal to professional women and Latinos, with whom she has generated as much excitement as Obama has among younger voters and African-Americans. She would also bring some national security street cred to the ticket, which is an Obama vulnerability that I suspect is being underappreciated at the moment. 

If the unity ticket is going to happen, it ought to happen as early as possible. We need to put the nomination contest behind us, and get on with the task of ending the Bush Era once and for all.

--Ed Kilgore

Related

Alan Wolfe: Using identity politics to move beyond identity politics.
Mark Schmitt: The party doesn't need that much repairing. 
Michael Tomasky: He can do better in both substantive and symbolic terms.
David A. Bell: Ten reasons not to pick Hillary Clinton as V.P.  

Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:37 PM with 18 comment(s)

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GSpinks said:

Hillary represents too much to some people in terms of breaking through the glass ceiling for women, coming in second place will generate feelings of bitter resentment and send some voters to McCain; people won't accept that a young African-American male is the better candidate than their statewoman-heroine with a long, distinguished career. The disaffection of Hillary's staunchest bases will not be mollified by creating a unity ticket.

Hillary will have to throw her weight behind Obama in the fall. She needs to lose graciously, and pull her base into the fold. She needs to minimize the resulting backlash by acknowledging that Obama won fair, at that his candidacy is as good as hers. This will necessarily entail eating some of her words from the past several months, but it is the only real way to prevent exodus. Whether she does this on a unity ticket or not will have no bearing.

May 8, 2008 1:01 PM

WoodyBombay said:

Old conventional wisdom: BHO = MLK, HRC = LBJ

New conventional wisdom: BHO = JFK, HRC = LBJ

May 8, 2008 1:04 PM

danreynolds said:

I just don't think it would be good for a President Obama to have the big-dog roaming around in the White House, which  almost certainly would occur should Sen. Clinton become Vice President.

For electoral strategy, I think that the Democrats will write-off Florida this time once Sen. McCain selects Gov. Crist as his running-mate. However, the west and southwest are winnable this time. Gov. Napolitano would be a good choice to work in AZ, NV, NM, CO and MT. Those 5 states have 32 electoral votes compared to 27 EV for FL.

I can see Obama making Sen. McCain work to keep the southern states red, particularly NC and VA (28 EV).

Gov. Napolitano could even make the GOP spend some time and money in TX.

May 8, 2008 1:20 PM

ralphnelle said:

"National security street cred"? Very amusing. We can do much better in that department.

May 8, 2008 1:29 PM

Mickey Weinber said:

The question is not only would Hillary take a back seat, it is, even more importantly, will BILL take a back seat?  The Clintons are psychologically incapable of grace.  Were Hillary to somehow find her way onto the ticket as veep nominee, she and hubby, consciously or unconsciously, would find a way to undermine Obama.  It has the makings of Shakspearean tragedy.

May 8, 2008 1:36 PM

blackton said:

the question is, is Ed Kilgore willing to be Obama's food taster?

Hillary will try to be co-President and Bill will be all too willing to offer advice too and bitch when it isn't taken.

May 8, 2008 1:49 PM

ackyri said:

Ed, I don't like how you're using the threats of Democrats to vote for McCain or stay home as a justification for the existence of a deep divide within the party or a reason to resort to a unity ticket. A huge portion of the voters that say that are just blowing smoke, bluffing their way into silly proposals like this. If they're actually part of the Democratic faithful, we won't have to worry about them. If not, we never should have counted on them to begin with.

May 8, 2008 1:50 PM

blackton said:

danreynolds  good interesting post

May 8, 2008 1:52 PM

WaltB said:

Why is this incredibly stupid idea getting any traction anywhere?  It's beyond idiotic, and only guarantees a McCain presidency.

May 8, 2008 1:55 PM

BHLnyc said:

Kilgore profoundly misreads the point of the Obama movement if he believes that only Hillary can rescue it from defeat. Asking Hillary to join the ticket would be a complete rejection of everything that Obama has campaigned against. If the core of your message is about doing things differently and getting out of the pattern of gridlock and partisan politics, selecting one of the nation's most polarizing figures (with huge negative ratings) to be your VP makes zero sense.

Furthermore, I'm unconvinced that Hillary's working class white women -- who overwhelmingly support reproductive rights -- are going to abandon Obama in great numbers to a man who has said that he would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned.

As I noted in another thread, if you truly want "unity," it doesn't require that you put Hillary herself on the ticket. Reaching out to one of her key supporters (such as an Evan Bayh) would be nearly as effective. Besides -- is Kilgore suggesting that Hillary won't be out there campaigning hard for Obama amongst her constituency if she's not on the ticket? If he's suggesting that she could be that disloyal and unsupportive, then what kind of VP would she make anyway?

May 8, 2008 2:02 PM

roidubouloi said:

Forget about Hillary's bad behavior toward Obama during the campaign.  Kilgore sets up a bunch of strawmen and proceeds to knock them down without ever addressing the most important question, "Would an Obama/Clinton ticket be better than the alternatives, including, for example, Obama and a convicted pornographer?"  The issues is not the bad blood between supporters of the two.  Nor is it whether Hillary would "overshadow" Obama.  That statement alone shows how asinine this thesis is, and I do mean that to be an insult.  Do you mean the way she has overshadowed him in the primary campaign?  I mean you could justly have asked the reverse, whether Obama as Hillary's VP candidate would have overshadowed her, but this is just flat out ridiculous.

The main point is that Hillary Clinton is the second most disliked politician an America after George Bush.  54% of the American public views her unfavorably,  To paraphrase, the desiccated hag Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary only got as far as she has in the Democratic primary because she is a woman and there is a hard-core of supporters, who vote in big numbers -- boomer and older women -- who don't give a damn about anything else.  Despite that, Hillary cannot even get a majority of Democrats to support her against a jigga-boo, and you KNOW how whites don't want to vote for THEM because Hillary, that disgraceful wretch, has just told us so.  Not to mention that the chances of breaking the black AND the woman taboo at the same time are remote.  

Putting Hillary Clinton on the ticket would be like Obama tying an anchor around his neck and jumping off a bridge.  Would the anchor overshadow him on the way to oblivion?  Gee, I don't know.  Hard to say.

Finally, Obama does not NEED to appeal to the particular demographic groups that you imagine are friends of HIllary but won't vote for Obama (how exactly has he been running ahead of her in national polls until Wright II which is now fading?).  What he needs is to pick off a couple of important swing states.  What matters, therefore, is not the broad appeal to the demographics that Hillary and Kilgore say are important but have only resulted in her losing to a broader coalition than hers.  Rather, it is the demographics in those one or two key states, pick your favorites.  I would pick PA.  That makes Rendell a far, far better choice than Hillary.  If you assemble his election strategy differently, maybe you come to a different choice.  Fine.  But Hillary's presumed demographic appeal, even if you buy that shtick and I don't, is IRRELEVANT to the problem at hand.

Finally, Hillary's national security cred?  What are you kidding?  Hillary the Lioness of Tuzla?  That Hillary?  The Republican toe-sucking, ever-pandering Hillary?  Really, even to put the words Hillary and credibility in the same sentence displays a massive ignorance of reality.  Let me remind you.  Hillary is distrusted by 58% of the American public.  Now, if you needed a bit of incredibility, she is definitely your go-to girl.

I am tired of reading stories in TNR that are deliberately contrarian but empty-headed.  It is fine to contrarian, but to say something useful you have to connect your argument to reality.  

May 8, 2008 2:10 PM

woland said:

Ed Kilgore is wrong about the benefit of putting HIllary as VP to Obama for several reasons, but I will limit my comments to one thing he said I disagree with.

"I think the events of the last few weeks have abundantly shown their [conservatives] willingness to whip themselves up in a hate frenzy towards Barack Obama as much as Clinton."

Are you absolutely kidding?!!?  As much as the Right might like to conflate Wrightgate and bittergate into anger points there is no denying the fact that there are so much more stronger points of anger they have against HIllary.  The only reason we haven't heard about any of them is because the Right and the media have been focusing their attention on the frontrunner Obama.  Put HIllary back in the picture as the frontrunner, Prez nominee, or VP nominee and the Right will whip themselves into a hate frenzy that would make their harsh words against Obama pale by comparison.

As much as the Right doesn't want Obama as Prez, the fact remains that they have very little tangible reasons to hate him.  As Huckabee has made clear by his comments that Wright is just trying to stop Obama to preserve black victimization complaints, no one on the Right really believes that Obama is so sort of secret black radical and that comes through in their Wright attacks.  And the bitter comments have to radically be taken out of context to construe them as an attack on guns and God.  Hillary, on the other hand, has done and said so many tangible things that the Right can feast upon there is no need to even list them.   There is simply no comparison between the hate the Right bears to Hilllary and the dislike they have of Obama.

May 8, 2008 2:15 PM

marcellusw101 said:

I think DanR has it about right. You don't get Hillary without Bill, and you don't get Bill without massive liabilities, both during the campaign and in the White House. It's almost universally accepted now that HRC would have been better off during the campaign had Bubba come down with a horrible case of mono in late December. Why would BHO want to take on that kind of baggage? Obama-Edwards would be a much better ticket.

May 8, 2008 2:27 PM

americapolyphony said:

Deux trois jours après les primaires de Caroline du Nord et de l'Indiana, voici le point synthétique de la situation: les médias ne voient plus aucune chance ou presque pour Hillary Clinton de décrocher la nomination démocrate pour l...

May 9, 2008 4:45 AM

roidubouloi said:

Ou est les mots finales de americapolyphony?

May 9, 2008 9:16 AM

The Plank said:

The idea of a Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton "unity ticket" has been floated quite a bit the

May 9, 2008 10:32 AM

roidubouloi said:

My French sucks.

Ou sont les mots .  .  .

May 9, 2008 10:39 AM

The Plank said:

The notion of a Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton "unity ticket" has been floated quite a bit the

May 9, 2008 2:10 PM