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16.04.2008
Sorry, Charlie: You're Wrong on the Cap Gains Tax

Charlie Gibson really hammered the candidates--both candidates--over their proposals to raise the capital gains tax. Why woudl they do that, he asked, when lowering the cap gains tax during the 1990s raised revenue? 

My recollection was that Gibson's premise was wrong, but I couldn't remember the details of why. Fortunately, I know a few economists. Here's one of them--Jason Furman of the Brookings Institute--with the story: 

Joint Committee on Taxation and Treasury both score raising capital gains taxes as raising revenues. There is some behavioral response but much of that is timing and doesn't affect the medium-to-long term revenue loss.

Note that the experience after the 1997 cut and the 2003 cut is not a meaningful way to assess the impact of capital gains tax cuts on revenues because so many things were happening simultaneously. The JCT score of the capital gains cut in 1997 was a few billion dollars annually. The 2003 cut was something like $5 billion annually. But capital gains revenues can go up or down by tens of billions annually. So it is hard to look at the noisy data and infer ex post the revenue impact of these changes.

Or, to put it more simply, Gibson's logic was flawed.

Update: For more this, and ABC's performance generally, here's Katrina Vanden Heuvel at The Nation's campaign blog. 

Update 2: And here's Sam Boyd over at TAPPED. Three of out of three progressive bloggers agree: Tonight's loser was Charlie Gibson! 

Update 3: For those visiting via the home page, here is what I had to say about Gibson's performance early in the debate. And here is Isaac. OK, no more updates--I promise!

--Jonathan Cohn 

 

Posted: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:36 PM with 12 comment(s)

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markbenl said:

Maybe he got his facts from this editorial by Richard Rahn of the venerable Discovery Instute.  If their scholars are as convincing and honest on tax policy as they are on intelligent design, I can't understand why Gibson shouldn't repeat these supply-sider truisms in unqualified terms.  Forcing him to do so would be Laffable.

www.discovery.org/.../2407

April 16, 2008 9:58 PM

AlanSP said:

You don't need to be an economist to see the flawed logic here.  Gibson was basically saying that correlation implies causation.  As anybody who's ever taken an intro statistics course will tell you, it doesn't.   I expect a little more from debate moderators.

April 16, 2008 10:28 PM

Gavriel Meir-Levi said:

ABC so lost this debate.  MSM botches it again - all of it, not just the bit about capital gains.  Looks like we're in for a debate about the debate, and kudos for Barack in pushing back on the media for manufacturing such inane issues/distractions and not focusing on more important things.  

Why can't they have Bill Moyers host one of these debates?  Why not even broadcast it on PBS?  That would be a thousand times more informative than this garbage.  Even Hillary seemed tired of it.

April 16, 2008 10:33 PM

gary21cp said:

The "moderation" tonight should be a career-ender for both Gibson and Stephanopoulos. Bob Iger should call them both in the morning and quote Donald Trump: "You're fired."

I will never watch ABC News again.

April 16, 2008 11:17 PM

The Stump said:

Like almost everyone else (I assume) who saw the debate, I thought Obama was flat and off-balance for

April 17, 2008 12:27 AM

The Plank said:

It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. Or maybe it was just the worst of times. Two debates

April 17, 2008 1:31 AM

mmathog said:

It's nice that the mask is off with these MSM guys, a relief really. They aren't 'journalists' by any stretch of the imagination, they're a cohort fighting for their own interests, their interests happen to be super wealthy elite interests, good for them.

Remember an N.H. debate 6 months ago, Gibson thinks all couples make > 200K/year, the entire audience laughed in his face, he's an idiot.

April 17, 2008 3:20 AM

fougasseu said:

So three very rich white Boomers using the rhetoric of Talk Radio were able to gang tackle Barack Obama in a forum that only a high schooler would call a "debate"- this was a moment we should be proud of?

The Ayers hand grenade was the lowest political moment since the attacks on Max Cleland's patriotism.

(The attacks on Cleland will always stand as the lowest of low moments.)

I think Obama was off his game because that kind of thing - whatever that thing was last night - isn't the game he plays. He tends to defend rather than counter-attack.

To think of all the things he could have hurled back at her...and didn't.

Classy guy, smart guy, clearly an honorable guy. Probably not what America wants.

Looks like an America run by white Boomers prefers a white Boomer for president.

It's the white Boomers, stupid. Maybe Bill Clinton is a political genius. Scum, but a political genius.

April 17, 2008 8:28 AM

aeromonas said:

Hey, J Cohn, this is off topic, but you da man on health care, so why don't you write something about McCain's health "plan?"

I just heard a bit on NPR about it, and I gotta tell ya, it did my heart good, because his proposals are so jaw-droppingly idiotic, both politically and practically, that I cannot help but think they'll seriously undermine his chances of electoral success.

McCain says the following:

-> The problem with our system is not lack of coverage, it's cost.

-> We can tackle the cost problem by encouraging INDIVIDUALS to purchase insurance themselves instead of participating in employer based group plans.  

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Wow.

First, I'm imagining Obama on the stump: "John McCain says I'm an elitist, that I'm out of touch with the hopes and fears of ordinary Americans.  And yet this is the man who says that it is NOT A PROBLEM that 40 million Americans have no access to health insurance.  He says that the "vast majority" of Americans already have health insurance.  Like the 15% of Americans who don't have insurance don't count, like they don't exist.   If you're one of those 40 MILLION PEOPLE--hard working people, small business people, children--who live in constant fear of what will happen to them if they or someone they love gets sick, what John McCain is telling you is that HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU..."

Second, regarding his plan to move people OUT of group health insurance, is McCain insane?   And does anybody who knows anything about systems for funding medical care believe that increasing individuals' opportunity to chose between health insurance plans have ANY influence on the cost of medical treatment?  

I don't think he believes any of this.  I think he basically doesn't want to change anything, but he considers it politically prudent to have a "health care plan" and so has knocked together this abortion out of pasteboard.  

April 17, 2008 8:30 AM

Jonathan Cohn said:

aeromonas-

Thanks for the shout-out. As for the McCain plan, I wrote about it a while ago:

www.tnr.com/.../story.html

But probably worth revisiting again soon, huh?

-Jonathan

April 17, 2008 11:02 AM

Mr.Awesome said:

Charlie Gibson is no Charlie Rose.

April 17, 2008 12:05 PM

tec619 said:

Charlie Gibson's annual salary is between $6M-$8M. Can't you see why he is interested in lowering capital gins taxes? His stock portfolio must be fat.

That Ayers business is more non-substantive, gotcha crap. Same with the flag lapel pin. I don't wear one and never wilI. Nor do I hang a flag outside my abode. And I'm a veteran. I find that shit superficial and immature. Hot tub tom DeLay, Dick Cheney, John Boehner and several draft-dodging pseudo-patriots ostentatiously sport flag lapel pins. So what. That makes them patriots? Not unless we've defined patriotism down. Wait a minute!. We have.

I'll bet if Gibson or Stephanopomidget have an opportunity to interview the pope, they won't ask any questions about the pedophile ring run by Cardinal Bernard Law .

To bring you up to speed, courtesy of Slate:

Why is the Vatican continuing to shelter Cardinal Bernard Law?

It will be remembered that Law resigned his position as head of the Archdiocese of Boston in late 2002. He had little alternative. A series of lawsuits and depositions and disclosures had established beyond doubt that, as my Slate colleague Dahlia Lithwick phrased it, "Law was not only aware of egregious sexual misconduct among his subordinates but was apparently engaged in elaborate efforts to cover up incident after incident of child rape." (I pause to praise her for employing that latter term instead of the grubby all-purpose euphemism abuse.) To be specific, the cardinal admitted in a deposition that he knew that the Rev. John Geoghan had raped at least seven boys in 1984 before he approved Geoghan's transfer to another parish where other boys were at risk. Further disclosures revealed that the Rev. Paul Shanley, who at one point was facing trial for 10 counts of child rape and six counts of indecent assault and battery, had been moved from ministry to ministry in what amounted to an attempt to protect him. Law himself lied to a West Coast bishop about Shanley's history and certified in writing that another rapist priest, the Rev. Redmond Raux, had "nothing in his background" to make him "unsuitable to work with children."

April 17, 2008 12:30 PM