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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
11.04.2008
Round 15 of Snipergate, c/o Bill Clinton

It looks like Bill Richardson's endorsement of Obama isn't the only thing the Clintons can't let go of. Here's an ABC News report on a recent Bill Clinton appearance in Indiana where, for some strange reason, he felt compelled to reopen the box of worms that is Snipergate:

"A lot of the way this whole campaign has been covered has amused me," he said. "But there was a lot of fulminating because Hillary, one time late at night when she was exhausted, misstated and immediately apologized for it, what happened to her in Bosnia in 1995. Did y'all see all that. Oh, they blew it up. Let me just tell you. The president of Bosnia and Gen. Wesley Clark -- who was there making peace where we'd lost three peacekeepers who had to ride on a dangerous mountain road because it was too dangerous to go the regular, safe way -- both defended her because they pointed out that when her plane landed in Bosnia, she had to go up to the bulletproof part of the plane, in the front. Everybody else had to put their flack jackets underneath the seat in case they got shot at. And everywhere they went they were covered by Apache helicopters. So they just abbreviated the arrival ceremony. Now I say that because, what really has mattered is that even then she was interested in our troops. And I think she was the first first lady since Eleanor Roosevelt to go into a combat zone. And you woulda thought, you know, that she'd robbed a bank the way they carried on about this. And some of them when they're 60 they'll forget something when they're tired at 11:00 at night, too." [Emphasis added.]

As the ABC report goes on to note, Hillary never did apologize, she just said she misspoke, and she didn't admit she misspoke until about a week after she was accused of doing so. She also misspoke not just once but numerous times and usually during daylight hours. You could say this is nitpicking on the press's part, but the press isn't the one who brought this up. Message to the Clintons: let it go!

--Jason Zengerle 

Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:54 AM with 24 comment(s)

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boneill said:

And, um, her trip was in 1996, not 1995.  Minor mistake, but in Bosnia that's a huge difference.

April 11, 2008 11:16 AM

miceelf said:

I may have asked this before, but does Bill secretly or subconsciously want her to lose? He spontaneously brought this up, just when it was dying down. At least when other surrogates revisit old controversies, they try to focus on old controversies involving Obama (looking at you, Lanny Davis).

April 11, 2008 11:19 AM

ejbenjamin said:

Does he actually believe this?  He's a smart man, he must know that he's reciting details that simply won't stand at all to scrutiny.  This is almost pathological.

Boy, I sure do want eight more years of this.

April 11, 2008 11:21 AM

Rhubarbs said:

But if Hillary is too exhausted "late at night" or "at 11:00 at night" to get her facts straight or make good judgments, then doesn't that directly contradict her whole 3 a.m. thing?

I've gotta say, "Hillary is a liar" sure seems like a less damaging interpretation than "Hillary is too old and tired to think straight." Is there any worse possible way for Bill to frame this? Maybe he could joke that Hillary forgot to sacrifice a kitten for good luck that morning. Or that since it was St. Patrick's Day, Hillary was actually "drunk as an Irishman" when she spoke.

April 11, 2008 11:26 AM

WaltB said:

He figures if he keeps trying to spin it better over and over again, sooner or later his version will stick.  Classic Billary stuff.

April 11, 2008 11:33 AM

ralphnelle said:

Rhubarbs beat me to it. Hilarious!

April 11, 2008 11:36 AM

boxofrox said:

No strange reason at all. Bill rightly sees this as a significant issue. His explanation doesn't hold with me but his motivation does. This kind of thing matters to folks where he is and fraudulent bravery is worse than being a coward. This southern boy understands that much so he's burnishing her story for her. Pretty basic but true enough.

April 11, 2008 11:40 AM

boneill said:

WaltB is right.  They were good at this, then the Bush/Rove team perfected it, and now they are picking up that torch.  Win the news cycle.  Hope that people hear something and believe it.  

But, Rhubarbs, if he had indeed said "drunk as an Irishman" Hillary would have gotten my vote.  No question about it.

April 11, 2008 11:41 AM

jblum8156 said:

It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

April 11, 2008 11:48 AM

icarusr said:

Rhubarbs has whacked the mole on this one.

Boneill: Bill is over sixty now, has had a bypass surgery, is too busy making speeches at $200K a pop, he's exhausted from all that buckraking ... you can't expect him to keep 1995 and 1996 straight in his head.  Give the man a break, will ya.

1995, 1996; snipers or a flower girl on tarmac; you say potayto, I say potahto ... what's the difference?  As PCCostello would say, "yeah, and Obama claimed he was a Law Prof when he was only a Senior Lecturer ...".

Good grief ...

April 11, 2008 11:55 AM

hrlngrv said:

Bill has been married to Hillary for quite some years now. Anyone consider the possibility that Hillary admitting she 'misspoke' is the closest she comes to saying sorry, at least at home and with Bill?

That or Bill turns off his intellect when it comes to family matters. Lots of evidence to support that.

April 11, 2008 12:06 PM

adamvaught said:

This part is what I like:

"And some of them when they're 60 they'll forget something when they're tired at 11:00 at night, too."

Forgetting is one thing, making shit up is another. You can't forget something that never happened. This isn't mere confusion about details, this is creating a story. Sorry, but I don't by President Clinton's excuse -- even if you accept all the mistakes ("11:00 pm", "one time," "1995," "immediately apologized," and "has amused me") in his statement.

Of course, maybe this is Bill's way of setting himself up to stump for Obama come fall: "Hillary is only 60 and can't remember important details--like whether she was shot at or not. Just think about the trouble McCain has to have."

April 11, 2008 12:20 PM

thejauntyboulevardier said:

I always thought that in terms of the present diminishing the past, the new Star Wars films topped that list.

Bill Clinton 2008 has been a disaster. I shudder to think how bad he will get if Hillary continues to sink into the sunset. Bill at the convention could be like poor old sick Elvis in June of 1977.  

April 11, 2008 12:22 PM

stgla said:

[ominous music plays.  a phone rings repeatedly].  

[Voicover] It's 11:00 PM and toddlers around the country are fast asleep.  The phone rings in the White House.  It's the Secretary of Terror.  You are tired and over 60 but your husband is still awake.  

[Man, entering room, tucking shirt into pants] Honey, it's for you, some kand of ruckus in Indaneezha.  You ever been to Indaneezha?

[Woman] Yeah, sure, I've done a few tours there, took a lot of flak.  Did the serpentine maneuver under fire once or twice.  Hand me the phone.

[Voiceover] Who do YOU want to answer the phone?  An American President from America that Americans, one of two patriots who love America? Someone who wears an American Flag lapel pin on their pajamas?

[Woman] Yes?  Uh-huh.  Karl Rove is probably behind this.  Tell Terry to put that in the next fundraising letter.  We are going to make those Republicans pay for this terrorist attack.  PAY, I tell ya.  How dare the Indians act as a safe haven for terrorists.  Indonesians?  Whatever, I am so wiped out.  Indonesia is halfway between India and Polynesia, right?  I think I saw some cute native girls dancing there once during my 30 years serving children.  Do we have any trade deals in the works with them?  I'll ask my pollster what he thinks.

[Voiceover] I'm Johm McCain and I sponsored this message.

April 11, 2008 12:28 PM

Rhubarbs said:

stgla goes yard with that one.

April 11, 2008 12:38 PM

Annabella2 said:

stagla... that's wonderful... I think the time has come for irony on both of them and nothing but.

Here's a possible LOGICAL explanation though... Bill wants Hillary to loose this one because she can't win it anyway, in primary or probably in the general.  But he also wants Obama to lose too so that Hillary can come back in 2012 and say:  "I told you so.  My turn to run this time."  I mean weren't we always told he was the Political Genius of the Democratic Party (never mind that he never won an actual plurality... Remember Ross Perot anyone?)... so if you are a Political Genius, wouldn't that be your strategy once you knew you couldn't make it this time around?

Another logical explanation is oxygen deprivation to the brain during by pass surgery cuts down on ability to control anger or even to think all that clearly and even if new pathways get made, they are not up to the old and break down more readily when the person is stressed.

April 11, 2008 1:03 PM

boneill said:

Awesome stuff, stgla.  

April 11, 2008 1:18 PM

tkozal said:

Someone please take this lying old man, and his mis-speaking, mis-remembering spouse with him...

April 11, 2008 1:29 PM

BHLnyc said:

I had resisted the "Bill wants her to lose" explanation, but I think his comments yesterday are pretty much a slam-dunk. As skilled a politician as he's supposed to be cannot be oblivious to the damage he's done by 1.) resurrecting the controversy, 2.) getting the key detail about the hour wrong, and 3.) suggesting that his 60-year old wife who wants to be in reach of the red phone has difficulty with her memory on key details.

Obama doesn't even have to advertise anymore. Those millions he's spending on TV would be much more effective if they were redirected to keeping Bill on the stump. (What are his speaking fees again?)

April 11, 2008 1:35 PM

WoodyBombay said:

This isn't so dumb a move by Bill. He knows that a huge chunk of Hillary's support comes from irrational denialists (new word!) who think something as straightforward as catching her in a blatant lie is UNFAIR and BIASED and MEAN and SEXIST.

He's playing to her base.

April 11, 2008 2:15 PM

cypess said:

Hey stgla, thank you so much for the  "serpentine."  That is precisely the image I have of what Hillary thinks she did.  (For everyone who thinks it's an innocuous word, see the 1979 "In-Laws")

April 11, 2008 3:54 PM

stgla said:

Here is the original question from 1996* edition of Trivial Pursuit:

The line, "Serpentine, Sheldon, Serpentine!" was uttered by:

a) Chelsea Clinton

b) Sheryl Crowe

c) Peter Falk

d) Sinbad

* Or maybe it was 1995?  I can't remember.  I'm old and it's late.

Happy Friday, everyone.

April 11, 2008 4:39 PM

psantillana said:

All Hail the In Laws, absolutely.

April 12, 2008 7:15 AM

roidubouloi said:

I believe that Bill does want Hillary to lose because he really cannot stand the possibility of being upstaged by her for eight years in the knowledge that he put her where she is.  On the other hand, I think he admires Obama, recognizing himself in Obama in many ways.

Think about it this way:  In which direction would Bill's own narcissism incline him?  Toward Hillary or Obama?  The answer is clearly toward Obama.

April 12, 2008 12:36 PM