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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
27.03.2008
Good and Bad Poll News for Obama

Pew does less frequent but more exhaustive polling than most public opinion outfits. Its new poll is filled with interesting nuggets. Like the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, Pew finds that Obama has weathered the Wright controversy with his popularity intact:

The new polling suggests that the Wright affair has not hurt Obama's standing, in part because his response to the controversy has been viewed positively by voters who favor him over Clinton. Obama's handling of the Wright controversy also won a favorable response from a substantial proportion of Clinton supporters and even from a third of Republican voters.

However, his unpopularity among certain segments of the party remains persistent. There's been plenty of supposition, and some anecdotal evidence, to suggest that conservative views on race have hurt Obama among older whites. The Pew poll, though, is the first I've seen to establish this relationship empirically:

[W]hile Obama's personal image is more favorable than Clinton's, certain social beliefs and attitudes among older, white, working-class Democratic voters are associated with his lower levels of support among this group.

In particular, white Democrats who hold unfavorable views of Obama are much more likely than those who have favorable opinions of him to say that equal rights for minorities have been pushed too far; they also are more likely to disapprove of interracial dating, and are more concerned about the threat that immigrants may pose to American values. In addition, nearly a quarter of white Democrats (23%) who hold a negative view of Obama believe he is a Muslim.

The overall poll still shows him beating Clinton by ten points in the primary and defeating John McCain by six points in the general election. But he's going to need a substantially different Democratic coalition to do it.

--Jonathan Chait

Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:03 PM with 18 comment(s)

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teplukhin2you said:

Wow. First Crowley's piece on McC, now this balanced, nuanced, objective take.

Somebody locked up the Kool-Aid cabinet at TNR. Progress.

March 27, 2008 5:23 PM

blackton said:

a substantially different Democratic coalition to do it: ie, everyone under the age of 50. Lets face it, if Obama needs the white, older working class to win he won't. But the geritol set will go with the geritol candidate. The question is can McCain generate enough passion to get this group to the polls? What is his spread among people under 40, what does he have to offer them? More war, more debt, more of the same. I think he has a chance, if he can get people to vote for him because of who HE is: a well meaning, decent, Patriotic war hero, a man who will put country before party and before himself.

March 27, 2008 6:35 PM

miceelf said:

Equal rights for minorities being pushed too far and the effect of immigrants are both debateable positions- certain more conservative and/or downscale folks are going to have different ideas about this than others, for completely pragmatic reasons that have nothing to do with bias or bigotry. But "disapprove of interracial dating"??? WTF?

March 27, 2008 6:43 PM

Annabella2 said:

I can imagine few more promising things than a realignment in the center with Republicans who no longer feel at home in what the Republican party has become in exchange for the core constituency that is supporting HRC and which was in all events going to prefer McCain over HRC come November.  That handwriting has been on the wall since it appeared as HRC's core constituency in the polls coming out a NH.

Listening to HRC talk in NC today (shown on FoxNews) you would think she was talking to imbeciles.  Perhaps she thinks she is... maybe she even is.  Unfortunately it is the less educated, fearful ones.  Their fears may be understandable, but they have been hijacked repeatedly in national elections from the Willie Horton ads on.

March 27, 2008 8:17 PM

Annabella2 said:

Don't count all of the geritol set out for Obama.  This Geritoler and many others of my age bracket are as gaga about Obama's potential as the under 30...

March 27, 2008 8:19 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

I heard the same thing from my Mom in Oregon Annabella!  

Of course, no surpise there - Obama will probably will by 20 points there, that is Obama country.  It's not exactly the sort of place where they don't like interracial dating.  That wouldn't be NICE to judge people that way.  Oregonians are just freakishly, sincerely nice.

But my Mom - 69 - has turned into an Obama lunatic and so have all of her friends - TEN of them from her church (all VERY nice white Presbyterian ladies) actually car pooled with a bunch of college kids to one of those big arena Obama things in Eugene, Oregon! Can you stand it?  She took pictures.  They've all been working the phone banks too.  Mom calls them "Geezers for Obama."  They are out there, loads of them do exist.

March 27, 2008 8:54 PM

fougasseu said:

So this latest poll is a vindication of sorts of the race-baiting strategy in South Carolina.

The Clintons were right to see race as the best way to take Obama out. If it wasn't for a very vocal reaction from the blogosphere that was picked up by the media, it would have worked early, and likely very effectively.

But the Clintons are tenacious and very smart, they've kept at it, and now they're being helped by FOX and Talk Radio. It seems likely Obama can withstand the constant assault. But is "withstanding" enough?

How does he take the focus off race?

March 27, 2008 10:06 PM

anonevent said:

fougasseu,

He doesn't try to take it off race.  He just shows that he can intelligently deal with race while everyone else around him acts childish.

March 27, 2008 10:46 PM

psantillana said:

those geritol people need to talk to their peers. but - this is anecdotal evidence i got at another site - a lot of these white dems might not be racist themselves, but think that others are to a disproportional extent, as the black person generally thought before iowa. so if he wins the nom, they'll probably go for him in the general.

March 27, 2008 11:38 PM

ramboorider said:

He may need a different coalition, but given his margins over Clinton among Dems and over McCain in a general match-up, he seems to be getting it. I see this as mostly good news. There's a minority of voters who won't vote for Obama when the VRWC (with Hillary as its newest member) reminds them he's actually BLACK (did they mention he was BLACK?). But he wasn't gonna win them anyway, and they're mostly old and only have a few more elections in them anyway. The Democratic isn't gonna go after these voters at the expense of losing an emerging under 40 vote that's much more open minded about race and most other things. They're gonna be voting for DECADES and you have to get them to buy that first Honda NOW if you want them to keep coming back. Even if Hillary manages to come close in the delegates and popular vote, the party would be suicidal to nominate her. It just isn't gonna happen.

Too bad - she didn't have to run this kind of campaign. I supported her coming in and she could have kept my support, but Obama was earning it early and she completely threw it away in South Carolina and after. Now, I actively can't stand her. I'm not alone. And I'm kind of in that in-between age-group at 48.

March 28, 2008 6:24 AM

WaltB said:

I'm 63, a retired USAF MSgt, Irish white and have been supporting Barak since before he announced (put an O'Bama sticker on my cars since he's really black Irish according to Microsoft).  Anyway, my comment is that Billary has been letting talk show pundits (Rush, et. al.) and the conservative white church carry out most of the character assassination work (Trinity Baptist in Sun City, FL is a specific example) by perpetuating the Muslim label both by word and by email.  (And why isn't the media all over this kind of thing instead of pillorying Rev, Wright?)  Barak's speech on race was totally on target and there's many parts of our society that seriously needs to sit down together and get over it, beyond it, whatever.  I've seen far too much of Clinton/Bush style politics and want something different.  As a Vietnam era vet and having seen what George W. has done, I want a government that I can believe in and trust for a change.  

More and more Dem. insiders are saying HRC has no chance of winning and this needs to be settled now.  Why won't she listen?

March 28, 2008 7:10 AM

lymon1 said:

Got to love the conflation:  against illegal immigration with against affirmative action with pure racist (against interracial dating).  I'm sure those holding only views 1 or views 1 and 2 appreciate it.

March 28, 2008 9:39 AM

lindamwil said:

fyi: I am a 67 y.o., wasp (lapsed on the p), female, Floridian... have been contributing to Obama campaign since December, voted (?) for him in January... one 93-year-old pal who calls daily to give me updates...of course, this is Leon County, not the "other Florida"..

ps: I "heart" TNR regular posters

March 28, 2008 10:05 AM

Annabella2 said:

Besides the "too much interracial dating crowd"  the one thing that is going to hurt Obama in November is the Wright fracas... the man will unfortunately prove a very heavy cross for Obama to bear for all the unfairness of boiling down a long ministry into a fe sound bites and I deplore that as much as I deplore some of the more obnoxious sound bites... but the Republicans will play it and play it and play it and it will have an effect, I fear...

Hey 10% of the people apparently STILL think Obama is a Muslim.  Guess what you can fool some of the people all the time.

March 28, 2008 1:13 PM

jwl2672 said:

blackton:

So McCain offers more war, more debt, more of the same?

And what does Obama offer - magical fairytale days in Happyland? You people are idiots to believe that one man, any man short of Jesus can change the way the world works.  No plan whatsoever.  But rest assured! Once elected, the clouds will magically part.  Iran will fall into line as will N. Korea.  Heck, China might even give up pursuing power and oil for our sakes! Just to ease our oil prices.  Anything for you Obama! Only for you.  For your eyes only...

I for one am not prepared to offer a handjob to this neophyte, non-entity who utters sweet nothings.

March 28, 2008 4:40 PM

roidubouloi said:

It seems, jwl, that Obama is going to have to resign himself to getting elected without your support.  I think it's doable.

March 28, 2008 6:22 PM

sullydog said:

"You people are idiots to believe that one man, any man short of Jesus can change the way the world works. "

Yeah, that's right. Take, for example, the Bush administration. Bush certainly didn't change a DAMN thing. When he leaves office, the world will look exactly the same as when he was sworn in. Not a change in sight. Like he was never here. Didn't change a single thing. Not our politics, not our laws, not the state of foreign affairs, not the tenor of our alliances, not our civil protections, not the people in charge of federal agencies, not our tax code, nothin. Nada. Zippo. Not a change in sight. Nope. Just one man. Never had a chance to change NUTTIN'. Completely unchanged by the Bush Administration, yep, that's us. Totally unchanged. Like it never happened.

March 28, 2008 7:29 PM

buckski said:

Sully - Well done!

March 29, 2008 12:25 AM