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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
11.03.2008
Sinbad Refutes Clinton Foreign Policy Cred

One of the few episodes Hillary Clinton's campaign has cited as evidence of her superior ability to serve as commander-in-chief was a trip she took to Bosnia in 1996. The trip included Sheryl Crow, a Clinton supporter, and comedian Sinbad. In an interview today with the Washington Post's Mary Ann Akers, Sinbad says that the trip was hardly the harrowing experience Clinton has made it out to be:

"I think the only 'red-phone' moment was: 'Do we eat here or at the next place.'"

Clinton, during a late December campaign appearance in Iowa, described a hair-raising corkscrew landing in war-torn Bosnia, a trip she took with her then-teenage daughter, Chelsea. "They said there might be sniper fire," Clinton said.

Threat of bullets? Sinbad doesn't remember that, either.

"I never felt that I was in a dangerous position. I never felt being in a sense of peril, or 'Oh, God, I hope I'm going to be OK when I get out of this helicopter or when I get out of his tank.'"

Sinbad (who is supporting Barack Obama) twists the knife further:

In her Iowa stump speech, Clinton also said, "We used to say in the White House that if a place is too dangerous, too small or too poor, send the First Lady."

Say what? As Sinbad put it: "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"

When your main campaign theme is foreign policy experience, and that experience is persuasively refuted by a comedian, it's time to find a new theme.

--Jonathan Chait

Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:19 PM with 34 comment(s)

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drdannyu said:

He wrote a HuffPo column about this a couple of days ago, which was pretty good, aside from gratingly repetitive use of the third person.

I never would have thought that I would have an appreciation for Sinbad at this point in my life.  Go figure.

March 11, 2008 2:56 PM

marcellusw101 said:

Best....post title....EVER.

Wow, Sinbad! What a blast from the past. In related news, I heard Yakoff Smirnoff is questioning John McCain's days as a POW.

March 11, 2008 3:06 PM

virginiacentrist said:

This is pretty big...

This makes her look like both a liar, an exaggerator, inexperienced, the subject of ridicule, and silly.

March 11, 2008 3:12 PM

austinexpat said:

Give me a break, here.  When you consider a lame routine by a never-that-great-even-when-he-was-on-top comedian to be a "persuasive" argument, it's time to reconsider your standard of proof.

I'll be really happy when this primary is over with, if it means an end to this grasping at straws and promotion of irrelevant pro-Obama minutiae I've been putting up with since he won Iowa.  I realize this is a blog, but for Bog's sake, people.  At least it used to be a *good* blog.

March 11, 2008 3:22 PM

ramboorider said:

If Al Gore got tagged for "inventing the Internet" Obama surrogates should be able to make the "brought peace to Northern Ireland and the Balkans" boast stick. Hate to see it devolve to this, but if you can use her own words against her, it doesn't look like a direct attack, looks like she shot herself in the foot.

March 11, 2008 3:25 PM

Crock1701 said:

The best part is "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"  That just opens up a litany of Bill jokes right there.

March 11, 2008 3:28 PM

sprechs said:

i missed the moment in the campaign where hillary said the her sole qualification to be president was going to Bosnia in 1995.  she really has to pull out now...because, y'know, political candidates never exaggerate their accomplishments.  Obama hasn't single-handedly brought about bipartisanship, ethics, and immigration reform in his 8 days in the Senate.

and of course, Hillary is racist for putting Sinbad in harm's way in 1995.  c'mon plankers, you have to follow both obama talking points for today.  bad job.

March 11, 2008 3:28 PM

guyminuslife said:

I think the emphasis on that quote is "too small or too poor." As in, if it's not worth our time to send in the State Department, at least send the First Lady in to acknowledge it exists.

No offense to the countries in question. No disparagement of trying to sell the American "brand." But while it's a worthy job, I doubt that the skill set it requires or the expertise it conveys should be placed in bold letters on a presidential resume. To be fair, I think it sells Hillary short, because she's got a lot more going for her than frequent flyer miles.

March 11, 2008 3:32 PM

virginiacentrist said:

austinexpat:

WHAT???

Hillary ran ads claiming she was ready at 3am. Most credit these ads for her comeback last week.

When people asked her for some evidence, she pointed to this trip.

It seems like it's relevant that she's full of it.

March 11, 2008 3:48 PM

virginiacentrist said:

spechs:

"i missed the moment in the campaign where hillary said the her sole qualification to be president was going to Bosnia in 1995"

She used that directly as her justification for the 3am ads!

I guess you missed it.

March 11, 2008 3:49 PM

scottlooper said:

What did Sheryl Crow say about the incident?  And what happened to TNR?  Where's journalistic integrity?  Is this really the same group that distanced itself from Scott Beauchamp because it couldn't substantiate his facts?

March 11, 2008 3:54 PM

sprechs said:

virginia, she listed it as one of many of her many foreign policy accomplishments as first lady.  obviously, we can argue about whether she redefined the role of first lady enough to justify this line of arguing (based on plenty of Clinton admin accounts, her influence waned significantly after the '94 midterm, but she was still an FP adviser whose grasp on FP is pretty significant).  

Whether Sinbad's statements make her "a liar, an exaggerator, inexperienced, the subject of ridicule, and silly" I'd say is debatable, but I think you've long ago made up your mind on all those points, regardless of whatever anyone else will say...

March 11, 2008 4:02 PM

drdannyu said:

Her various claims about being particularly experienced when it comes to foreign policy are being serially debunked.  In one case, it was by a high-ranking official from Northern Ireland.  In this case, all it takes is Sinbad.

Hillary's foreign policy cred is pretty thin.  That she chose to throw stones whilst dwelling in a very Windex-worthy house is unfortunate, especially since she chose to weaken Obama by praising McCain at his expense.

March 11, 2008 4:13 PM

WoodyBombay said:

This must sting - I actually feel bad for HRC.

It's a bitter pill to swallow when one of your closest, most trusted foreign policy advisers turns on you.

March 11, 2008 4:16 PM

CharlesFosterKane said:

Sinbad.

Wow.

March 11, 2008 4:56 PM

bcbaird said:

Dude, when Sinbad totally makes you look like a fool... that's saying something.  I think what it's saying is: "You are a fool."

March 11, 2008 5:14 PM

boneill said:

No one doubts that she understands foriegn policy, at least its basics.  But then, so do a lot of people on this board.  It is her lying about her role and her serial exaggerations her influence that is at question her.   If she lies about something she should be called out on it.

March 11, 2008 5:18 PM

Rhubarbs said:

You just have to imagine the sneering voice of the guy who narrates all the Republican attack ads:

"In 1995, Hillary Clinton took a junket with a pop singer and a comedian. Now, she claims that taxpayer-funded vacation gives her the 'experience' to be commander in chief."

She's about one more fib away from turning "resume padder" into the "flip-flopper" stereotype that destroys her candidacy.

March 11, 2008 5:36 PM

tomeg said:

One thing for sure, Sinbad will never ride in a helicopter again. He might reconsider traveling anywhere in anything. Oh, and forget cabs and limos. Might take a test drive in a hearse.

March 11, 2008 5:38 PM

blackton said:

If Al Gore got relentlessly mocked by the Republicans for his overstating his many real accomplishments, then Hillary will be a laughingstock by Sept. No, wait, she will cry at how sexist all the media is for pointing out what a joke she is. Maybe Democrats feel a little uncomfortable ridiculing her distortions but Republicans won't.

March 11, 2008 6:49 PM

virginiacentrist said:

Yeah. All of the doubters out there (spechs) need to know that htis is pretty devastating.

When you're caught in a lie that undermines your entire rationale for your candidate ("I'm experienced and tough!"), then you're in trouble.

The truth is that the only reason why people assume that Hillary is "tough" on foreign policy is because she voted for the war. They figure, subconsiously, "If she errored on the side of violence back then, she must be pretty tough."

It's a very perverse and backwards dynamic.

March 11, 2008 7:16 PM

sprechs said:

"when your'e caught in a lie that undermines your entire rationale for your candidate?"  as wishful as your hoping that Bill would be caught in Spitzer's sex scandal...

remember a week ago, when everyone ignored that Illinois State Senator for denigrating all of Obama's accomplishments in the Illinois State Senate because he was a major McCain backer?  Hmm...

March 11, 2008 9:38 PM

mpatrickhendri said:

Hey Clinton partisans, it's a joke. Relax. It's not like this Bosnia trip was central to her major national security cred...oh, right, sorry. Maybe she could offer a job to Sinbad a job on the national security council.

March 11, 2008 9:49 PM

cspencef said:

Quote:

In her Iowa stump speech, Clinton also said, "We used to say in the White House that if a place is too dangerous, too small or too poor, send the First Lady."

Say what? As Sinbad put it: "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"

That is too classic.  Frankly, it isn't anywhere near as damning as David Trimble's slam, but perversely it will probably get more play and distract attention from that far more substantial slam.  

Meanwhile Sinbad plots his comeback...

March 11, 2008 10:36 PM

tar036 said:

She is getting worse at pointing to specific examples of her national security credentials each time she is asked the question.  I read in an AP story tonight where she was asked in Pennsylvania to name a foreign policy crisis where she had been tested.  Typically, she pointed out the Ireland Peace process, but then pointed to a SPEECH that she gave at the 1995...anyone else see the irony?  

I'm certain though that Obama won't use that statement as a counter-punch...

Oh yeah and I agree with Sinbad: there is no logic to the president sending his WIFE and DAUGHTER to a war zone because its too dangerous for him.  

March 11, 2008 10:40 PM

roidubouloi said:

Look, this business about her experience, let alone her foreign policy experience, is a load of hooey.  She has less political experience than Obama, a lot less, and a fair amount of that is pretty grim.  Being the wife of a governor or the First Lady is NOT experience relevant to the presidency.  Nor is answering the phone at 3 am to hear about your husband's latest pecadillo.  Hillary failed the DC bar exam and then was briefly a partner at a very unimportant law firm in Arkansas.  Then the wife of the Arkansas governor, then First Lady.  She rode into the Senate with a nomination handed to her by Charlie Rangel, a ridiculous opponent in Little Ricky Lazio, and her husband's fame and coattails.  In the Senate she has accomplished nothing much, not least because she has been running for president since the day she arrived there and never saw it as anything other than a platform from which to do that.

So, of course she cannot point to anything to back up her ridiculous claims.  That's what happens when you engage in this sort of bogus exaggeration.  It was a lot closer to the truth to say that Al Gore invented the internet (he never said any such thing, only that he was a key political supporter early on) than that Hillary has foreign policy experience.  It seems never to have occurred to her or anyone else in her campaign that anyone would ever challenge her "tested, vetted, experienced, ready day one" trope.

Joke's on her.  I hope she is sweating big time.

March 11, 2008 11:12 PM

selish70 said:

Oh yeah, Sinbad.  I remember him.  He's still alive, huh?

March 12, 2008 8:28 AM

lesserliz said:

But Hillary did stop at IHOP on the way back from Bosnia

March 12, 2008 8:30 AM

austinexpat said:

mpatrick: I don't have a problem with Sinbad making jokes.  I do have a problem with Jon Chait calling them "persuasive" arguments about Hillary's candidacy.  They only persuade people who have been thoroughly Obamboozled, because you don't have to be very objective at all to realize that a pull quote from Sinbad isn't exactly the gold standard in analysis.

March 12, 2008 10:42 AM

sleepyavl said:

So, remind me, what exactly is Obama's experience compared to Hillary's? Ooooh, but who needs experience from The Anointed One?

Most of you guys have brought into the Obama cult of personality. You're not looking for a president, but for a king  and a lover. You're not supporters, you're smitten groupies. With President Obama you won't be citizens, you'll be subjects - acting as mobs when He will need it.

March 12, 2008 1:14 PM

Trailhead said:

In a campaign full of bizarre, vaguely defensible analogies—Obama is a Mac, Clinton is a PC! Obama is

March 12, 2008 2:06 PM

lesserliz said:

Just lookin for the one most likely to stop or at least slow the war-making

March 12, 2008 4:36 PM

sullydog said:

"ou're not looking for a president, but for a king  and a lover. You're not supporters, you're smitten groupies. With President Obama you won't be citizens, you'll be subjects - acting as mobs when He will need it."

No, sleepyvayl, I already have a lover and I don't need a king. And as President, I could take Obama OR Clinton. But I'm not looking for a president right now, any more than I'm looking for a king or a lover.

Right now, I'm looking for a _candidate_.

A candidate who doesn't come out of the gate with half the country obsessively hating her guts. A candidate without ties to a tainted presidency. A candidate who will not perpetuate the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton pattern. A candidate without a prospective First Husband who promises to be another chef in the kitchen when he's not being getting BJs from interns in the Rose Garden. A candidate whose differences from her prospective GOP adversary on Iraq (an important issue, I think we'll all admit) will not exactly distinguish her. A candidate who isn't already (and irrationally) considered a murderess, a lesbian and a socialist in vast swaths of the country. A candidate who doesn't make me think of fingernails on a chalkboard every time she raises her voice.

A king? A lover? No.

I just want somebody who can _win_.

March 12, 2008 5:37 PM

The Plank said:

A couple of weeks ago, the comedian Sinbad, a Barack Obama supporter, took a swipe at Hillary Clinton

March 17, 2008 3:51 PM