TNR BLOGS

November 20, 2008 | 12:55 PM
November 20, 2008 | 11:23 AM
November 20, 2008 | 10:57 AM

November 20, 2008 | 1:06 PM
November 20, 2008 | 12:03 PM
November 20, 2008 | 10:45 AM

July 26, 2008 | 2:24 PM
July 23, 2008 | 1:55 PM
July 17, 2008 | 3:56 PM

November 20, 2008 | 11:06 AM
November 19, 2008 | 3:17 PM
November 19, 2008 | 2:17 PM
COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
09.03.2008
Clinton Campaign Takes Aim At Elected Delegates

Hillary Clinton in Newsweek:

How can you win the nomination when the math looks so bleak for you?
It doesn't look bleak at all. I have a very close race with Senator Obama. There are elected delegates, caucus delegates and superdelegates, all for different reasons, and they're all equal in their ability to cast their vote for whomever they choose. Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to.

The strategy here seems completely mystifying. It's simply impossible to imagine that Clinton will get elected delegates to switch to her (the outcry would be enormous, obviously), and yet her campaign is intent on pushing the idea (Harold Ickes said something similar last week). All this ensures is that the media will run a lot stories about a dirty campaign intent on stealing the election. Given that the Clintonites are going to need some good will in July (if in fact they want to garner a delegate majority through superdelegates), the logic of this ploy eludes me.

--Isaac Chotiner 

Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:21 PM with 14 comment(s)

Comments

You must be logged-in to comment.

Not a subscriber? Click here to get a digital or print and digital subscription to The New Republic!

JosephCuomo said:

williamyard, tep, Wandrey, blackton, AaronBBrown, Rhubarbs, boneill, drdannyu, mpatrickhendri, rishy, epackard, jhildner, WoodyBombay, aeromonas, MrJauntyCookie, and all fair citizens of Talkback Nation-

I think it's high time for another contest.

Below is an updated list of the Nominees thus far.

______________________________________________________________________________

THE TNR TALKBACK NATION

MERRY PLANKSTERS AWARD

for

B E S T

P A Y B A C K

for

H I L L A R Y

_____________________________________________________________________________

1. If/when Barack Obama becomes president, he offers Hillary the position of Secretary of State, waits till she resigns from her Senate seat, allows a decent interval, then fires her white, pantsuited ass.

2. Hillary, gamely accepting responsibility for helping elect John McCain to the White House, agrees to go on pay-per-view, naked, with a cigar, knee pads, and a roofied Monica Lewinsky.

3. If payback is a bitch, and one can safely assume that Hillary is a bitch, then Hillary having to be Hillary should be payback enough.

5. During President Obama's first term, HRC is appointed Ambassador to Kazakhstan, where (for a cool 130 million dollar payoff) she can have dinner with that nation's thuggish dictator, call him a great humanitarian, and also do charity work for the miners off whose backs that $130 million came.

6. After her meltdown at the Convention, Hillary, accepting her blue-collar penance, applies to do night shift work at Walmart.

7. During President McCain's first term, Chelsea Clinton enlists in the military and serves in Iraq, while Hillary reconsiders whether maybe, just maybe her Iraq war vote was a mistake.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Please submit your own nominations here on this thread.

March 9, 2008 5:45 PM

kgrant1054 said:

Isaac,

Your assumption that the press will say something negative about this is charmingly mistaken.  The press has been, except for a small handful of folks at MSNBC (and perhaps here), ready to award the presidency to Senator Clinton the moment she got into this race.  They will ignore her various 'irregular' paths to the nomination.  

CNN, Fox, the NY Times, the Washington Post, Salon, etc, etc, are really pumping the 'Hillary is Back!' meme for all it is worth.  They would never turn on the Clinton gravy train.  If they had really been against the Clinton restoration, they might have mentioned that any other candidate who lost 11 in a row would have been asked to quietly quit the stage.  

Oh, wait, that is not being 'against' a candidate, just decent historical observation.

Oh, no.  This is will be one of the rare instances where this will get much traction.

March 9, 2008 5:48 PM

maxblum13 said:

she is chased off a cliff by a mob of naked superdelegates.

March 9, 2008 5:52 PM

JosephCuomo said:

maxblum13-

Thanks for your contribution, which has been duly recorded (below).

_______________________________________________________________________________

an updated list of the Nominees thus far.

______________________________________________________________________________

THE TNR TALKBACK NATION

MERRY PLANKSTERS AWARD

for

B E S T

P A Y B A C K

for

H I L L A R Y

_____________________________________________________________________________

1. If/when Barack Obama becomes president, he offers Hillary the position of Secretary of State, waits till she resigns from her Senate seat, allows a decent interval, then fires her white, pantsuited ass.

2. Hillary, gamely accepting responsibility for helping elect John McCain to the White House, agrees to go on pay-per-view, naked, with a cigar, knee pads, and a roofied Monica Lewinsky.

3. If payback is a bitch, and one can safely assume that Hillary is a bitch, then Hillary having to be Hillary should be payback enough.

5. During President Obama's first term, HRC is appointed Ambassador to Kazakhstan, where (for a cool 130 million dollar payoff) she can have dinner with that nation's thuggish dictator, call him a great humanitarian, and also do charity work for the miners off whose backs that $130 million came.

6. After her meltdown at the Convention, Hillary, accepting her blue-collar penance, applies to do night shift work at Walmart.

7. During President McCain's first term, Chelsea Clinton enlists in the military and serves in Iraq, while Hillary reconsiders whether maybe, just maybe her Iraq war vote was a mistake.

8. Outside the Convention in Denver (the Mile-High City), Hillary is chased off a cliff by an angry mob of naked superdelegates.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Please submit your own nominations here on this thread.

March 9, 2008 6:05 PM

rozenson said:

Bill Clinton, in an effort to upstage his wife, decides to run for Secretary General of the UN. Hillary, being relegated to wife status once again, visits even more countries and answers yet more phone calls at 3 AM to solve crises that she, as Bill's wife is, suited to handle. Now that she has visited every country on Earth, she is overqualified for President of the United States and her own superdelegates abandon her in droves.

March 9, 2008 6:33 PM

asnevitt said:

she is forced to bake the cookies when she has tea in 80 countries.

March 9, 2008 6:36 PM

JosephCuomo said:

rozenson and asnevitt-

Thanks for your contributions, which have been duly recorded (below).

Here is an updated list of the Nominees thus far.

______________________________________________________________________________

THE TNR TALKBACK NATION

MERRY PLANKSTERS AWARD

for

B E S T

P A Y B A C K

for

H I L L A R Y

_____________________________________________________________________________

1. If/when Barack Obama becomes president, he offers Hillary the position of Secretary of State, waits till she resigns from her Senate seat, allows a decent interval, then fires her white, pantsuited ass.

2. Hillary, gamely accepting responsibility for helping elect John McCain to the White House, agrees to go on pay-per-view, naked, with a cigar, knee pads, and a roofied Monica Lewinsky.

3. If payback is a bitch, and one can safely assume that Hillary is a bitch, then Hillary having to be Hillary should be payback enough.

5. During President Obama's first term, HRC is appointed Ambassador to Kazakhstan, where (for a cool 130 million dollar payoff) she can have dinner with that nation's thuggish dictator, call him a great humanitarian, and also do charity work for the miners off whose backs that $130 million came.

6. After her meltdown at the Convention, Hillary, accepting her blue-collar penance, applies to do night shift work at Walmart.

7. During President McCain's first term, Chelsea Clinton enlists in the military and serves in Iraq, while Hillary reconsiders whether maybe, just maybe her Iraq war vote was a mistake.

8. Outside the Convention in Denver (the Mile-High City), Hillary is chased off a cliff by an angry mob of naked superdelegates.

9. Bill Clinton, in an effort to upstage his wife, decides to run for Secretary General of the UN. Hillary, being relegated to wife status once again, visits even more countries and answers yet more phone calls at 3 AM to solve crises that she, as Bill's wife, is suited to handle. And her own superdelegates abandon her in droves.

10. When having tea in each of the 80 countries she visits, Hillary is asked, again and again and again, to bake the cookies.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Please submit your own nominations here on this thread.

March 9, 2008 6:57 PM

Ghost in the Machine said:

So, if you're of the mind that GitM has degraded in quality and become obsessively single-minded since the election season...

March 9, 2008 7:42 PM

guyminuslife said:

I'm not sure if my not being listed there is a bad thing in that I'm forgettable or a good thing in that I don't post here as often as I think I do. Let's see, you listed 15 people, TNR says I'm number 16 in posts...borderline...I'm starting to sniffle. ;-)

After siphoning off a majority of pledged and unpledged delegates at the convention, and after Republican nominee John McCain drops out of the race due to health problems with no viable replacement, narrowly loses the general election to Uncommitted.

March 9, 2008 9:55 PM

JosephCuomo said:

epackard and guyminuslife-

Thanks for your contributions, which have been duly recorded (below).

Here is an updated list of the Nominees thus far.

______________________________________________________________________________

THE TNR TALKBACK NATION

MERRY PLANKSTERS AWARD

for

B E S T

P A Y B A C K

for

H I L L A R Y

_____________________________________________________________________________

1. If/when Barack Obama becomes president, he offers Hillary the position of Secretary of State, waits till she resigns from her Senate seat, allows a decent interval, then fires her white, pantsuited ass.

2. Hillary, gamely accepting responsibility for helping elect John McCain to the White House, agrees to go on pay-per-view, naked, with a cigar, knee pads, and a roofied Monica Lewinsky.

3. If payback is a bitch, and one can safely assume that Hillary is a bitch, then Hillary having to be Hillary should be payback enough.

5. During President Obama's first term, HRC is appointed Ambassador to Kazakhstan, where (for a cool 130 million dollar payoff) she can have dinner with that nation's thuggish dictator, call him a great humanitarian, and also do charity work for the miners off whose backs that $130 million came.

6. After her meltdown at the Convention, Hillary, accepting her blue-collar penance, applies to do night shift work at Walmart.

7. During President McCain's first term, Chelsea Clinton enlists in the military and serves in Iraq, while Hillary reconsiders whether maybe, just maybe her Iraq war vote was a mistake.

8. Outside the Convention in Denver (the Mile-High City), Hillary is chased off a cliff by an angry mob of naked superdelegates.

9. Bill Clinton, in an effort to upstage his wife, decides to run for Secretary General of the UN. Hillary, being relegated to wife status once again, visits even more countries and answers yet more phone calls at 3 AM to solve crises that she, as Bill's wife, is suited to handle. And her own superdelegates abandon her in droves.

10. When having tea in each of the 80 countries she visits, Hillary is asked, again and again and again, to bake the cookies.

11. After she loses the Dem nomination, an oddly sympathetic President Bush appoints Hillary Special White House Word Czar, as part of his Southern-as-a-Second-Language campaign, and she is asked to share her time honored techniques for learning how to drop g's, elongate one-syllable words into two, and change one's verbal tics like a chameleon.

12. After she siphons off a majority of pledged and unpledged delegates at the Dem Convention, and after GOP nominee John McCain drops out of the race due to health problems with no viable replacement, Hillary narrowly loses the general election to Uncommitted.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Please submit your own nominations here on this thread.

March 9, 2008 10:08 PM

JEFF FREY said:

Isaac, I think her point was to emphasize that superdelegates are equally valuable as delegates won in primaries and caucuses, and NOT constrained to vote as their constituents did, or by any formula. She's trying to refute the idea that superdelegates shouldn't vote for her if they want her, because she has to know that she is going to head to the convention with fewer pledged delegates than Obama, I don't think you can read anything more into it than that.

March 9, 2008 10:44 PM

aeromonas said:

Jeff, her statement was, ''Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to.''

Clearly she's talking about pledged delegates here, not superdelegates.

March 10, 2008 2:25 AM

JEFF FREY said:

aeromonas, I'm sure she wouldn't mind if some pledged delegates crossed over to her side, but that that is unlikely unless it goes to the Nth ballot, so I don't think it is her primary meaning. My reasoning is that the last sentence of the statement is there to reinforce the point that all delegates can cat their vote for whomever they choose. But obviously it is the superdelegates who are being targeted here, because getting the others is not a credible scenario. Anyway, that's my interpretation of the oracle.

March 10, 2008 3:09 AM

ackyri said:

Remember that time the Clinton campaign vehemently denied that they were doing this?

I do, because it wasn't even a month ago!

March 10, 2008 2:07 PM