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05.03.2008
More On Divisive Primaries

Josh raises the question of whether a dragged-out Democratic primary will cripple the eventual nominee. (Though I'm not sure 1968 is a comforting analogy: Wasn't Humphrey-Nixon only close because George Wallace nabbed a bunch of Southern states from Nixon?) To go further, John Sides hauls out a study of presidential elections from 1936-1996, arguing that on-the-ground conditions in the country—especially the economy—have far more sway over electoral outcomes than intra-party fisticuffs. (Here's more evidence.) Still, that is a small sample, and it's easy to dream up reasons why this election might not be like past elections.

In a similar vein, David Greenberg points out in Slate that Democrats have frequently had brutal primaries, most of which make Obama v. Clinton seem downright cuddly in comparison, but that the nastiness doesn't have much effect come November:

Although the intraparty warfare sometimes got ugly in these races, and pundits warned of its harmful consequences, there's little evidence to suggest that it ever made a substantial difference in the fall election. In 1976 and 1992, the Democrats won. In 1972, 1980, and 1984, they surely would have lost anyway. In 1988, Dukakis met defeat because of his weak general-election campaign, not his springtime battles with Gore and Jackson.

Okay, but intuitively, Obama and McCain (say) seem much more evenly matched than McGovern and Nixon—or Mondale and Reagan. In a race this close, a small edge for one side could matter a great deal. A drawn-out dogfight means that the Dem nominee isn't going to be able to spend the next three months pouring $50 million into ads going after—and trying to define—McCain while he's struggling to raise cash, for starters. (Update: Err... a point Chris basically made below while I was sluggishly writing this post. I blame hunt-and-peck typing.)

--Bradford Plumer

Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:38 PM with 12 comment(s)

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teplukhin2you said:

I disagree. Obama's problem isn't money. Given 60 million+ Facebookers and other wired, educated folks who are potentially hip to Obama, there's vastly more out there than he's raised so far. His real problem is his ideological fuzziness. In a period of normal economic events, this isn't a problem. When you have major, systemic shocks like the ones we're seeing now-- one after another, each worse than the preceding one-- lack of focus is a potentially fatal liability.

That majority of voters who aren't inclined toward kool-aid want to see some real specifics about how the candidates intend to deal with the gathering economic storm. When the dollar's collapsing, credit's freezing up, and a recession's under way, most voters are going to find raves and dopey slogans not just irrelevant but irritating.

March 5, 2008 2:04 PM

Brad Plumer said:

Really? I'm (sadly) skeptical that voters pay overly close attention to policy specifics, but you might be right.

March 5, 2008 2:06 PM

marcellusw101 said:

Brad: Mavis Beacon typing. It's worked wonders for my 8-year-old.

March 5, 2008 2:11 PM

marcellusw101 said:

BTW, good post. One candidate is going to have wasted a lot of money that could have gone into states like Florida, Missouri, Colorado, etc. during the summer. No one's fault, really (except maybe Mike Crowley's cousin - see the Stump post), but still...an opportunity lost.

March 5, 2008 2:15 PM

fougasseu said:

It's more of a training camp process. Obama and Clinton are getting stronger and tougher as the months go by, they'll be in terrific shape for the main event.

McCain does seem weary. He makes more verbal missteps, he seems bored at times.

Having a safe seat and being a Washington insider, he hasn't had to work this hard for anything, in a very long time.

He has the ambition but he may not have the stamina.

Americans have notoriously short attention spans. They'll forget most of what the fussing has been about in the primaries, and they'll take a fresh look at the candidates a month before the election. If McCain doesn't appear healthy and positve he'll lose. He appeared with Bush today, they seem like two peas in a pod. Is that what the polls are saying America wants - more George Bush?

March 5, 2008 2:15 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Brad - this issue is not abstract in the slightest. In fact, it's now smacking in the face any voter currently  

-- preparing his/her tax return (April 15 coming-- check)

-- looking anxiously at the residential real estate market (property values falling across most of OH--check)

-- considering refinancing his house, or consolidating his credit card debt, or taking out an auto loan (credit rates have spiked and markets are freezing up-- check)

-- noticing that the dollar's collapse is causing prices for everything-- not just Asian-made consumer junk but also milk, meat, gas etc-- to start to spiral upward (inflation's back-- check).

Any head of a household can see the writing on the wall: we're looking at stagflation, coupled with an increasingly peso-ized currency. The sh*tstorm's here, and our side needs to get beyond pissing matches over mandates or the war resolution or empty slogans and start offering real solutions.

March 5, 2008 2:22 PM

Brad Plumer said:

tep--I completely and totally agree that these issues are not abstract to a lot of people, that they're extremely important, and that Obama *should* talk about this stuff more.

I guess I'm just more cynical about whether candidates actually pay an electoral price for vague sloganeering. According to the last round of polls, most people think McCain is better equipped to handle the economy even though he's offered nothing at all on this front, and had said nothing that even halfway resembles a solution to anything.

March 5, 2008 2:36 PM

Rhubarbs said:

tep, that's an excellent reminder that Hillary needs to release her tax returns.

But the larger point is that Bill Clinton -- or Clinton 42, as Hillaristas would prefer us to start saying -- beat Bob Dole largely because Clinton was in a position to spend the summer of '96 attacking Dole up and down the country with TV and radio buys. McCain is an eminently Dole-able opponent, but as long as second-place Hillary stays in the race trying to overturn the will of the voters, the less chance we'll have to bury McCain when it counts, and the more chance the GOP will have to define the race and the personalities in their favor. To say nothing of Hillary's apparent new enthusiasm for praising McCain as preferable to Obama.

March 5, 2008 2:41 PM

teplukhin2you said:

I don't give a f** about Hillary's tax return. I care about my return.

March 5, 2008 3:20 PM

jeidel said:

I essentially agree.  I wonder however if the recent advent of 24-hour news alters the dynamic which operated in previous hotly-contested primaries.  Voters are constantly bombarded with commentary saying that if this race goes to the convention the party will be torn apart.  Does that possibly turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy?  Would independents who are told 24 hours a day that the Democratic Party is in disarray look to McCain?

March 5, 2008 3:41 PM

Gavriel Meir-Levi said:

According to these numbers Rush really put us in Limbo... Rush's republicans may have given Texas to Clinton.

www.newsmax.com/.../78104.html

March 5, 2008 4:28 PM

ironyroad said:

The one thing the Clinton supporters on this site won't look at is the likelihood of the Republicans working cheerfully to make sure she's the nominee.  HRC herself either doesn't understand this factor -- which I think is highly unlikely -- or she thinks that it doesn't matter.  If she believes she's going to beat McCain, I guess no road is too low to take, and of course if she is the actual nominee, it'll be too late in November when the truth comes out of the darkness like an angry mink.

March 5, 2008 6:36 PM