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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
25.02.2008
Mmm... Latte

My TRB column in this issue is about the class split between Clinton and Obama supporters. One of the side points I made (which others have made as well) is that the split is an artifact of the split between high- and low-education voters, rather than a function of economic class per se:

there's no particular reason to think her working-class support has anything to do with policy. Clinton's economic positions are no more populist than Obama's. Her downscale support long preceded her populist rhetorical turn and seems to be an artifact of downscale voters spending less time consuming political news, and therefore gravitating toward the more familiar candidate. Obama has done better with working-class voters in states where he has had time to campaign extensively. His worst loss (aside from Arkansas) came in Florida, where no campaigning took place. In Iowa, where the candidates achieved total saturation, he defeated Clinton among low-income voters.

I bring this up because today CNN has a new Texas poll which shows, among other things, that voters who watched the last debate are dramatically more pro-Obama:

"Among the one-third of Texas Democratic primary voters who watched all or most of the debate, Obama leads Clinton by 20 points," said CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider.

"Among the 42 percent who followed news about the debate, Clinton and Obama are neck and neck. And among the one-quarter of Texas Democrats who paid no attention to the debate, Clinton leads Obama by nearly 20 points.

"Is this because Obama appeals to better-educated Democrats and they were more likely to watch the debate? No. Even among college-educated Democrats, the more attention you paid to the debate, the better Obama does."

This is certainly more evidence that high-education voters favor Obama not because there's something effete and latte-ish about his campaign, but because voters who pay more attention to the campaign tend to favor him, because he's just a better politician.

--Jonathan Chait

Posted: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:49 PM with 18 comment(s)

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stgla said:

I thought the latte (see image) was supposed to represent the white Clinton supporters at the top and bottom of the economic scale and Obama's in the middle, but that doesn't make sense.

February 25, 2008 5:23 PM

ralphnelle said:

The bulldozer strikes again. Excellent.

February 25, 2008 5:27 PM

lymon1 said:

That looks like a capuccino, or some sort of desert drink -- inviting though!

February 25, 2008 5:36 PM

blackton said:

via ABC as well:

At one of four rallies he attended in El Paso this afternoon, Clinton did take a break from singing his wife's praises just long enough to point out that this election isn't all about inspiration and hope often associated with her opponent, Barack Obama.

"In order to be a good president you got to define what you hope for and how you are going to be able to keep faith for Americans by turning hopes into realities in other peoples lives," Clinton told a crowd in an El Paso parking lot. Of course, he was also quick to point out that his hometown is a place called Hope and how his candidacy was one of hope, sending a bit of a mixed message to the crowd.

Gotta love Bill, can't stay on message. "Hope is overrated, except when I did it, then it was the best thing out there." Hey Bill, are you feeling Hillary's pain? Or are you being sensible and staying on the road as much as possible?

February 25, 2008 7:17 PM

mollysimon said:

Don't they now sell lattes at some McDonalds?  Which is to say that calling upper-middle-class/educated voters latte-drinkers is getting tired.  Or that maybe the working-class ain't what it used to be--which is why they're now switching to Obama.

February 25, 2008 7:33 PM

psantillana said:

Exactly right. Plus, more and more of us are drinking latte anyway. So even though the metaphor doesn't work - maybe it does!

February 25, 2008 7:35 PM

Androscoggin said:

Good point, Jon. I've been arguing this, too. The more people see of Obama, the more they like him -- and better-educated voters have seen more of him. Hence they like him more. I think this is a very good sign for the general election.

February 25, 2008 8:03 PM

fougasseu said:

The fundamental flaw with all of these postings that crunch voting data is that they attempt to explain why people vote a certain way, when equally important would be to know what kinds of people join political movements, particularly the Obama movement. I think this primary has seen an apple running against an orange: an individual candidate is running against a movement led by Obama.

I wonder if McCain will suggest he's running against a "movement politiian", a very derogatory term in the '60s.

February 25, 2008 8:22 PM

mmathog said:

What's going to happen when McDonald's starts selling lattes?

February 25, 2008 9:19 PM

mollysimon said:

Well, mmathog, at that point, which is any minute, Obama will win the nomination.

February 25, 2008 10:18 PM

anonevent said:

When you start seeing those catering trucks - roach coaches - selling lattes out of the back, then you know Obama has the nomination sewn up.

February 25, 2008 11:27 PM

chessw said:

I always think Clinton wins the debates and often the media backs me up, calling her a wonk and him inspirational. I am educated and I never know what he's saying, and i think part of the reason for that is that he has WALL STREET JOURNAL advisors and I never know what they're saying either, except that they want it to fool me about something. Obama is fence-straddling on health and, less subtly though it's less often mentioned, on race as well. Will he redress old injustice or ignore it? He wants to suggest both at once, so he never says anything either way. The better I know him the more I realize I don't know him at all.

February 26, 2008 12:25 AM

dcwood10 said:

Chessw: you seem to be trying to make a point by putting "Wall Street Journal" advisors in all caps.  I'm not at all sure why you see this to be particularly stinging.  To name just a few of the Clintons' connections: -1- Chelsea Clinton has worked for McKinsey & Company since graduating from Oxford -2- Hillary Clinton's been nursing a relationship with the Tata Group since at least 2002.  And here - just a few - there must be so many more, you don't have a husband in the White House for 8 years without making loads of these.  And it's not like there's any dispute on these points either, so while they count for something (i.e.: Tata and McKinsey have no interests in the world to advocate besides Tata and Tata and McKinsey and for its part, Tata, if it has any alignments, is aligned with the national interests of India - but we can at least say the WSJ's interests are somewhat more broad than dowjones/Rupert-Murdoch profit margins) - so yes, they matter for a little, but by and by I can't really say they count for much.  Besides - Wall Street Journal advisors probably can provide substantiave advise on, say: hedge funds, commodities markets or high tech.  You can't exactly go to the wonks at the Nation for insightful expertise in those and other politically relevant areas.  I personally would save the all-caps for something more decisive.

February 26, 2008 9:50 AM

mollysimon said:

dcwood10:  Actually, Chelsea hasn't worked for McKinsey in ages.  Right now she is very gainfully employed by a hedge fund.  They make tons more than consultants.  

February 26, 2008 11:35 AM

hellx said:

I caught about half of the replay of the debate later that evening and, like the Texas voters who watched it, I thought of Obama as the winner.  As a result, I was surprised at the media consensus that the debate had been a tie.

Why did I think Obama had won?  Simply because he looked more presidential and in control.  Since I strive to be a self-aware individual, I asked myself whether this was a function of latent sexism, i.e. did I assume Obama looked more presidential just because he was a man?  After consideration, I came to the conclusion that I thought Obama had won because he simply looks better than Clinton, not because of his gender.  

Clinton would fare much better in the attractiveness department against McCain, but Obama-Clinton is like Kennedy-Nixon.  Anybody who sees them head to head is going to swayed to some extent by the attractiveness differential.

February 26, 2008 12:35 PM

AKossnar said:

I think you missed the ball entirely on this one.  More and more Clinton supporters are tuning out due to the direction in which their candidate seems to be treading.  This is irrefutable with things like funding, and it stands to reason that the same is true regarding watching the debate.  Also, Clinton's numbers have typically gone up following debates because she almost always outperforms Obama.  So, no, people don't like Obama more because they watched the debate, they are still watching debates because they like Obama.  Cause and effect runs pretty clearly contrary to Chait's guess on this one.  

Besides, the old "the more people see of him the more they like him" shtick is not exactly news at this point, so no credit for that argument either.

My two cents about why higher income people dig Obama?  They're less vulnerable; they'll be fine even if his wishy-washy non-specific message change turns out to be no more than the hot air it currently contains.  Working class people simply can't afford to vote their idealism when they're in real financial danger.  Simple hierarchy of needs at work.

February 26, 2008 1:57 PM

teplukhin2you said:

McDonald's is where the Feng Shui voters get fired up and ready to go. Or serene and capable of overcoming obstacles. Or something like that.

la.eater.com/.../only_in_socal_the_countrys_first_feng_shui_mcdonalds.php

February 26, 2008 4:08 PM

mollysimon said:

You see?  Love the link, Tep.

February 26, 2008 5:34 PM