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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
17.01.2008
Obama, Liberals, and Reagan

Via Matt Stoller, Barack Obama has some nice things to say about Ronald Reagan:

Matt is none too pleased:

There are many reason progressives should admire Ronald Reagan, politically speaking.  He realigned the country around his vision, he brought into power a new movement that created conservative change, and he was an extremely skilled politician.  But that is not why Obama admires Reagan.  Obama admires Reagan because he agrees with Reagan's basic frame that the 1960s and 1970s were full of 'excesses' and that government had grown large and unaccountable.

Those excesses, of course, were feminism, the consumer rights movement, the civil rights movement, the environmental movement, and the antiwar movement.  The libertarian anti-government ideology of an unaccountable large liberal government was designed by ideological conservatives to take advantage of the backlash against these 'excesses'.

Or maybe Obama has in mind the actual excesses that led large majorities of Americans to back Reagan: runaway inflation, confiscatory marginal tax rates, an urban crime epidemic, a seemingly impotent foreign policy. The difficulty here is that while there were clearly some pernicious attitudes among voters that helped Reagan build his coalition, there were also legitimate ones. It's not clear to me what Democrats gain from denying that reality and telling blue-collar voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania that they're intolerant morons who were duped by an actor's smile. If Democrats ever hope to get fifty percent of the vote, let alone build a working majority, they'll have to win the support of a lot of people who admired Ronald Reagan. The move Obama is attempting seems like the right way to go: recognize that many of the grievances that led to Reagan's election were real ones, but then pivot to note that even as the pendulum has swung way too far in the other direction Republicans are offering the same old solutions as though it were still 1979.

Update: Others seem to be under the impression that Obama wasn't actually endorsing anything substantive about Reagan--he was just saying that he liked Reagan's leadership style and willingness to aggressively push an agenda. I don't think this interpretation squares with what Obama said:

He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.  I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating.  I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling...

It's true Obama says only that people were feeling that way, not necessarily that they were right. But one imagines that if he thought the prevailing attitude had been wrong, he would have said so.

--Josh Patashnik

Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:03 PM with 23 comment(s)

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Rhubarbs said:

Crazy idea for a Democratic nominee: Promise to put Reagan on the quarter. Make it part of a proposal to eliminate the dollar bill in favor of a new dollar coin with Washington on it. The measure would save the U.S. government about $200 million per year, recognize the popular consensus in favor of Reagan with no substantive costs to any liberal values, and also stake a claim to real fiscal conservatism. That $200 million in savings is real money that the government is wasting right now but that could be used to fund valuable government operations.

(And we can always put something subversive on the back of the Reagan quarter. Say, a wilderness scene to promote environmental conservation. Or an engraving of the Reagan Building in Washington, which perfectly symbolizes Reagan's policies of growing the size and expense of the federal bureaucracy.)

January 17, 2008 1:55 PM

ratnerstar said:

I second Rhubarb!

Seriously, arguing against Reagan at this point is practically the definition of counterproductive.

January 17, 2008 2:00 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Oh please. I vividly remember left-libs trashing Reagan in terms that were even more lurid, more vitriolic, than are used against W today. If and when TNR's archives are made searchable again, you'll be able to see scores of articles from Irving Howe, Rick Hertzberg, Kinsley and plenty of others skewering Reagan as a reactionary BS artist who turned the government over to, in Howe's memorable conceit, a cast of villains lifted from Dickens' inventory of mid-Victorian grotesques: Meese as Podsnap, Watt as Squeers, Haig as Murdstone etc etc.

I especially love the blogger's ridiculous trotting out of that utterly meaningless "libertarian" trope. In many areas Reagan vastly increased the scale of government. He left us with a whopping deficit and is the inspiration for the Republicans' K Street, corporatist strategy of doling out massive bonbons to the GOP's pet industries. Libertarian, feh.

January 17, 2008 2:07 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Try being on the front line of AIDS in those days. Those memories make it impossible for many of us out here to cannonize Ronald Reagan. I'd rather have the gulags and those nukes still pointed at Poland than go through that again..oh wait...

January 17, 2008 3:00 PM

williamyard said:

Comments from Obama like these cause me to think that he actually believes his "red states = blue states = United States" mantra.

Acknowledge what you like about someone (and their supporters) while working (respectfully, I gather) to counter what you don't like?

Doesn't he understand that tens of millions of American voters want politicians to maintain their recent system of adhering to rigid ideological checklists while ostracizing and denying those holding the opposite list?

Okay, maybe millions of American voters.

Okay, maybe thousands of American voters.

Okay, maybe dozens of American voters.

Okay, maybe this guy Louie in Cleveland who fell off a ladder a few years ago and hasn't been the same since.  But still.

January 17, 2008 3:22 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

But it's so fun to hate people, so good for you too - just ask old Louie.

January 17, 2008 3:29 PM

williamyard said:

Louis stopped speaking to me after I leaned against that ladder he was working on.

January 17, 2008 3:37 PM

dbhuff said:

Face it, Reagan WAS elected by a lot of Regan Democrats as well as Republicans.  What Obama is saying is that for whatever reason, Reagan was able to articulate the sense that a lot of people had that something needed to change.  Now, does this mean he agrees with either the assessment or the result?  No.  What he is saying is that people are once again feeling that something needs to change, that he can tap into that and fundamentally shift politics in a progressive direction.  What he is proposing is that he can be the Dems Reagan.  Wouldn't we want one of our own?

Some people have such a violent reaction to Reagan that they dont hear the message.  Risky for Obama to use it, but look how he clearly delineates Clintonism from Reaganism; not in progressive or conservative tones, but in terms of the magnitude fo the change and the ability to take advantage of the general sentiment.  

And he's right, with Clinton's negatives, she could never pull of change in political discourse of the magnitude that Reagan did.

January 17, 2008 3:39 PM

huntlib said:

Well, at least we know that Hillary will stop talking about messy desks now.

Look forward to a few weeks of, "I can't believe that Senator Obama admires that racist warmonger."

January 17, 2008 3:39 PM

cspencef said:

I kinda like Rhubarbs' idea, though if one really wanted to be sinister one would work to get Reagan put on the penny instead.  Then in a few years, when the wastefulness of minting pennies gets to be too much for the economy to bear...

January 17, 2008 3:46 PM

lymon1 said:

My biggest problems with Reagan were:

1) Starve the beast -- it's one thing to have a tight monetary policy (though one wonders if stagflation could have been ended more humanely), it's another to handcuff goverrnment for decades with intentional deficits

2) Energy dependence -- had he left Carter's CAFE limits alone, we'd be energy independent today.  Think about that.

3) He predated Dubya in going around the law.  I'm not talking about Iran-Contra (bad enough), I'm talking about purposefully changing welfare forms in order to create confusion/beauracratic problems to drop worthy recipients off the roles.

That said, I don't care what Obama said -- it's just another day that goes by without a single bit of policy reporting by the media!!!!

January 17, 2008 3:48 PM

Androscoggin said:

As an Obama supporter, I'm always happy when he says something that irritates people like Krugman and Stoller.  Does Stoller really think Obama is really talking about feminism when he refers to the excesses of the '60s and '70s?  Or does Stoller think there were no left-wing excesses at all?  

The whole New Left was one giant leftist excess.  The '60s were a time of great progress, but they also bequeathed to us the stupidest and most easily ridiculed aspects of contemporary cultural liberalism -- mindless relativism, political correctness, identity politics, an obsession with victimhood, multiculturalism, masturbatory activism, etc. -- which have discredited liberalism in the eyes of some of those who it would most benefit.  Practically speaking, the "liberalism" of education schools and sociology departments is the mortal enemy of a thoughtful, center-left, progressive agenda.  (And it's substantively bad, too.)

January 17, 2008 3:49 PM

ironyroad said:

People voted for Reagan for the same reason they voted for Romney in Michigan -- he was going to declare the present illegal and make the future the same as the past, only with better pay and more consumer electronic goods.

Carter lost, at least in part, because the embassy hostage crisis made the administration and the country look as if it couldn't organize a frat house drinking party in a brewery.  Reagan marched in to restore a narrative of American global invulnerablity and strength, and make everyone feel good.  OK, it's politics.  People vote their desires, even if they don't quite square with reality.

I'm not saying that this was only going on in people's heads -- there were genuine crises, that needed leadership other than Carter's.  But it wasn't just about who ran the country more effectively or blocked the Soviets:  the truth is, a conservative mindset that saw social progress for women and African-Americans (not to mention people who have the damn cheek to love those of their own sex) as essentially bad and unwanted was given the keys to the kingdom.

And -- it's worth remembering -- whatever about the fate of the USSR, our failure to understand what was happening in Iran and the Middle East was persistent and culpable and haunts us to this day.  Electing Reagan did not change the facts on the ground, and indeed the 1980s may have been the key decade when we could have looked closely but just didn't want to.

And fwiw, I don't believe Obama is likely to confuse his own narcissism with the state of the world.

January 17, 2008 4:26 PM

mschol17 said:

TNR should post a link to the entire video; it's pretty impressive.

January 17, 2008 4:37 PM

jobeek2 said:

Oh god, he's praising Reagan now? Jesus.

With the Reagan presidency, the entire promise of a more or less social-democratic America, which had been built and maintained, amidst jolts and setbacks, from FDR through LBJ's Great Society, was swept off the American political landscape. The libertarian conservative discourse he succesfully impressed on politics (even as he ballooned the state budget through escalating defense expenses) relegated any dream of social democracy to history. Two decades on, and the best you've had since was Bill Clinton's eight years of things not getting worse and welfare reform.

By praising Reagan, not just for his style but substantively for his pushback against the "excesses" of alleged 'big government', he sure looks like he's dismissing the whole idea of a return to the Progressive politics of New Deal and Great Society. In favour for some centrist pragmatism I guess. Obama in the role of Bloomberg, or as the next Ross Perot or something? Dont go there...

January 17, 2008 4:45 PM

gabbage said:

I am surprised that his comment about "the excesses of the 60s and 70s" is at all controversial to TNR readers. This publication's mission throughout the 80s was to bring the Democratic Party closer to the center

January 17, 2008 4:46 PM

ligedog1 said:

Reagan was probably one of the worst things to ever happen to America.  His election gave the nuttiest of right wing ideas a veneer of acceptability.  If it hadn't been for Carter's grain embargo we may not of been subjected to the man.  The thought of his face defacing our coinage for ever is chilling.  That being said he was oddly popular even though people didn't like any of his policies.  It's not Obama's finest moment.

January 17, 2008 5:03 PM

vanwurs said:

I remember hating Reagan and all he stood for, but I also remember being on the losing end of all those elections, so whether you agreed with Reagan or not, you have to give him props as a successful poliitical leader.  And he didn't just win elections, he changed the terms of the poltical conversation and created a rhetorical and conceptual political universe that reflected his vision.  For better or worse.  Much the same way Lincoln left behind a political universe of ideas and concepts that all lesser politicians labored in for several decades after he passed.  And Roosevelt created a political reality that Republicans spent the next thirty or forty years accepting the essential terms of.   Eisenhower ran what Goldwater (Reagan's John the Baptist) called a "dime store New Deal", not questoning the role of government, just promising to run it cheaper and more efficiently.  Nixon even added the to the scope of government with laws and departments thatfederalized responsibility for the environment, imposed wage and price controls, and proposed a national guaranteed income for everybody.  His conservatism was more in tone and whose interests he tended to serve than in any fundamental rejection of activist government.  

This is what great leaders do.  And they do it as much with their rhetoric as with the policies the carry out and laws they pass.  That's the "transformative" nature of the their leadership.  Reagan transformed the political world, and with a pat on the back to FDR, ended the New Deal, creating a political reality that Clinton could only tinker with at the margins.  What did he run on?  Welfare reform?  Personal responsibility?  Expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit?  Remember "The era of Big Government is dead"?  Clinton was a wiley and competent politician, but he didn't have the rhetorical skill to define a new reality and didn't have the governing majority to create it.  He spun his magic in Reagan's world, and the best he could do was make it a little more palatible for the poor and the sick and the old.

Only Barack Obama, of any Democratic political figure since Bobby Kennedy was gunned down, has shown the capacity to be that kind of transformative leader.  And if he gives props to Ronald Reagan and acknowledges not only his political skills but the fact that he represented a necessary and inevitable swing of the pendulum after forty years of a political idea that had run out of steam, then it just shows that he knows history and has figured out how history is changed.

January 17, 2008 5:03 PM

blackton said:

will yard, wonderful. c'mon, this is both great politics and common sense. I can see many independents, Reagan Democrats, and moderate Republicans nodding their head at everything he said. And even conservatives can see this and admit to themselves that if he wins it won't be the end of the world. I voted for Reagan against Mondale (my first vote) because I saw Mondale as a liberal Dinosaur. Reagan did win 49 states. But yeah, lets go with the Clinton idea of winning with our base since we always win with that alone.

January 17, 2008 5:12 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

His praise of Reagan was mostly process oriented and inclusive - very community organizer-ish. Look, I'm a liberal do-gooder from the Upper West Side and even I know that top tax rates were at 90% when Reagan came in. That's pretty excessive.  

My point is, rehashing these ideological debates has been done to death at this point. People are ready to stop needing to see their enemies cry Uncle and get on with the show.  The world is melting and we're owned by China, we'd better get out butts in gear and find a way to talk to each other and quick.  Good for Obama for his leadership in this way.

January 17, 2008 5:20 PM

psantillana said:

Josh:

"But one imagines that if he thought the prevailing attitude had been wrong, he would have said so."

You can think the prevailing attitude was right and still not endorse Reagan's presidency.

January 17, 2008 6:02 PM

mmathog said:

C'mon Tep, Reagan used a harshly racist vision to sew up his nomination. Have you heard that Neshoba speech? He didn't merely invoke the standard 'moral hazard' arguments against welfare programs, he actually accused, wait for it, government workers helping the poor of TRYING to keep them poor so they'd keep their jobs.

This was appalling, it's like accusing cops of encouraging crime.

Combine that with 'welfare queens' squirting out of his mouth and a whole rash of social policies, compared to Reagan, Nixon was a warm, decent, liberal, open-minded fellow.

Reagan did go through a bit of a transformation toward the end. He purged the (what would become) the neo-cons, he raised taxes, and he was always staunchly in favor of getting rid of nukes.

January 18, 2008 12:40 PM

The Plank said:

Jonah Goldberg writes : In the next few days, there will be a wave of liberals--Frank Rich comes particularly

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