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09.01.2008
Boomer Self-Loathing: Gotta Love It

Every now and again I like to call up Richard Land, the Southern Baptists' delightfully chatty top political guy, about some story idea I'm noodling around with. Yesterday, as we debated the impact of Huck's win in Iowa on the fortunes of the evangelical movement and, more specifically, its leaders, Land went off a tangent about Obama that I can't resist sharing, not because it speaks to the Hillary hatred among social conservatives or to Obama's post-ideological potential, but because it takes a big old slap at Boomers and their endless, unbelievably tiresome obsession with the '60s and Vietnam. And, honestly, who doesn't enjoy that?

I think there is a generational thing going on. The Busters are really tired of the Boomers and all their angst. I’m a boomer and I’m tired of it. As a conservative, I think Hillary is easier to beat. As an American, I'd much rather see Obama be nominee. If Hillary is the nominee, it’s gonna be the last campaign of the '60s Boomers. All the old stuff will be brought out. It will be the last grand battle of the split in the Boomer generation. Our country doesn’t need that. It's over. It's done with. And my generation needs to get over it. Move on. We don’t need any more Swift Boats. But we can’t resist it. I acknowledge that. My wife--during the Swift Boat controversy my wife said to me one morning, "Richard, will Vietam ever be over for us?" I said, "No. We’re going to be throwing our dentures at each other when we're in the old folks home." The problem is our generation split over this, and we both still think we're right.

Ah, it's so nice when a Boomer admits his entire generation is hopelessly neurotic and ruining things for the rest of us.

--Michelle Cottle

Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:35 PM with 15 comment(s)

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pbriley said:

Yet again here we have the kids thinking nothing every happened that was really important before they were born.

Before I was born:

John Kennedy was elected and died

Truman fired McCarther

Nixon "was not a crook"

and many other things I have heard

Before the busters were born:

Watergate

Vietnam

Nixon as a failed candidate, twice

Reagan as a huckster (not while president)

Who's Jimmy?

Chevy Chase is Gerald Ford

Killer Bees

and many others things I read about

This is NOT a continued fight over Vietnam, free love, drugs, rock and roll, etc. You guys are just jealous because nothing interesting ever happened in your life time till 9/11. You guys are the ones still fighting to be relevant. Your early memories are of Ronald Reagan. God help you.

January 9, 2008 3:37 PM

benjamin81 said:

Who are these self-absorbed Baby Boomers who whine about life all the time? I've heard of them, but despite being descended from Baby Boomers myself, have never met one. Is the stereotype of the self-absorbed, aging Baby Boomer just a straw man, or what?

January 9, 2008 3:47 PM

psantillana said:

You're soaking in it.

January 9, 2008 5:13 PM

williamyard said:

My generation, hopelessly neurotic?

Not when every other generation spends every waking minute envying us our prodigious demographic advantage, among other things. Some Boomers may feel guilt about our varied good fortune...unlike those like me who know not to question the murky machinations of karma!

Ahhhh!  [inhales deeply through nose] I love the smell of righteousness in the evening!

Oh, look at the time: it's been nice chatting with you all, but I really must skedaddle if I'm going to finish emptying out the Social Security account before your very eyes! (And here's the best part: it couldn't happen to a nicer guy!)

January 9, 2008 6:11 PM

cbustard said:

"We’re going to be throwing our dentures at each other when we're in the old folks home."

What a wonderful image. Can't wait for a cartoonist or animator to use it.

January 9, 2008 7:23 PM

shims-b said:

Pbriley says "You guys are just jealous because nothing interesting ever happened in your life time till 9/11." Touching. No, really, it is. and deeply insightful, might I add. But I thought only Rudy and Dubya were allowed to invoke that hallowed fraction? All that comes through in your completely inappropriate reference to 9/11 is the bitter invective that some are trying to associate with the Boomer generation. I was tempted to make an even more appalling counter-reference, but will pull a Huckabee and take the higher ground.

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what point it is exactly that you are trying to make. Let me explain something to you, sir (or madam?): "we" (I can only speak for 23-year-old males from Chicago, personally) have learned all about the times you lived through in history class - and I might submit that not having lived through it personally gives us a somewhat more objective view of the situation. I might add that "we" have most certainly lived through (almost) 16 years of Boomer presidents, and "we" have not been impressed.

Benjamin81: I too am descended of Boomer stock. I have to say I am split on the question of their supposed self-absorption. My father is trying to keep a level head - he patiently listens to me and my brother enthusiastically endorse Obama, says he is a fine man, and gracefully avoids committing himself one way or another. My mother, on the other hand, sees our support for Obama as indicative that we have something against middle-aged white women. Go figure...

January 10, 2008 1:25 AM

nancyirving said:

Obama is a boomer (born 1961).

In fact, is anyone in the race under 44?  Aren't they all boomers?

January 10, 2008 7:46 AM

nancyirving said:

I forgot, except McCain and Fred.

January 10, 2008 7:47 AM

stanmvp48 said:

Yes Obama is a boomer (1961) And if we self absorbed boomers hadn't ended that stupid war they would have still been drafting people in 1979.  

If there is anything the busters have a right to resent us about it is the fact that they are going to have to support us through 25 years of retirement on something less than a 2 to 1 ratio.  Obama could really make something of that issue if he wanted to be post partisan or post ideological or whatever.

January 10, 2008 8:43 AM

waynejm said:

Here's one boomer who's not taking the bait, Michelle.

Richard Land doesn't speak for me.  The problem isn't that we boomers are still refighting the Vietnam War.  Most of us moved on years ago.  The problem is that the religious right wing represented by Land and his ilk never came to terms with the social changes wrought during the 60s.  And now that the wheels are coming off their coalition, they don't know how to deal with it.

An end to Swiftboating?  I'll believe it when I see it.

January 10, 2008 12:09 PM

Androscoggin said:

To those who are describing Obama as a Boomer:  Obama graduated from law school the year before Bill Clinton became president of the United States.  I'm not sure what the technical definition of a Boomer is, but he is certainly not part of the same generation as Hillary and Bill.

January 10, 2008 3:39 PM

cspencef said:

Wow, I think I may have just followed the most misleading link in the history of the Interets, coming from the tnr.com front page.  "Why Southern Baptists love Obama"???  Are you freakin' kidding?  Here I am looking for some forlorn hope that the Huckster isn't going to be swept into the presidency by the combination of self-destructive Democrats and that very species of fundamentalist, and instead I find a boomer rant.  Bad link-writer!  Bad!  Bad!

January 10, 2008 4:08 PM

stgla said:

Headlines have been off lately in TNRworld, although I ascribe it to having to write 50 headlines a day with the online content flowing forth in one paragraph increments.

Michelle knows that any blog post with Richard Land in it will attract eyeballs.  He's a good source, keep him in your speed dial.

The baby boom is defined based on the sheer size of the birth cohorts, which started in 1945 and tapered off in the early 1960s.  However, culturally, the baby boom generation (the one with issues) is probably ended a bit sooner and Obama is on that cusp.  Those issues are born out of Vietnam, the sexual revolution, later stages of the civil rights movement, and probably a few other things.

The funny thing about this post is the image of Richard Land and Andrew Sullivan sharing the same political analysis about anything.  (They're both wrong, by the way).

January 10, 2008 5:44 PM

drdannyu said:

Oh, silly Boomers.  As a proud member of "Generation X," I can safely say that people who missed out on "Voltron" and "Schoolhouse Rock" are pathetic, silly losers.

Kids these days, however...oy.

January 10, 2008 7:07 PM

randyandy said:

Richard Land, the SBC's top political guy:  now that's biblical.  Jesus, what hypocrisy.  As a former southern baptist, I challenge Ricky to find Christ's requirement for "top political guys" in the New Testament.  But more to the point, the real gem deals with Ricky's anecdote regarding his wife's plaint about "Will Vietnam ever be over for us?" Ricky states:  "We don't need anymore Swift Boats."  Where was Ricky and his 10 Commandments when that ****shit was going down?  Where was Ricky when it came to light that his Chosen One in the White House lied us into a war that has cost us billions, over 150,000 Iraqi lives, and close to 4 thousand American lives?  And this shit's salary is paid by the god-fearing?  Jesus wept.

January 10, 2008 9:06 PM