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TODAY'S STORIES
05.09.2008
Coal New World

The Guardian reports a bold step forward in the race to find clean and abundant energy for our swiftly tilting planet: A demonstration of carbon capture technology—the first of its kind—is upon us. Starting next week, a power plant in Germany will serve as guinea pig for a $100 million project that will take thousands of tons of CO2 and drive it almost two miles underground, beneath a spent natural gas field just off-site.

The pilot plant will use an oxyfuel boiler, one of three types of CCS technology. This involves burning coal in an atmosphere of pure oxygen—the resulting waste gas is almost pure CO2 and this can be buried, preventing it from entering the atmosphere and contributing to global warming. The other CCS methods are pre-combustion, involving the removal of CO2 before burning by pre-treating the coal, and post-combustion, which scrubs the exhaust gases from a power station. ...

CCS is seen as a potential solution to the projected increased use of coal in power stations around the world. At its best, it would trap up to 90% of a plant's carbon emissions and, though each element of the capture, transportation and storage process is already proven and in use, until now no one had demonstrated a full-cycle system, even at the small scale of a pilot. A full-scale system remains years away, largely because developing such a system is likely to be very expensive. As a result, many leading power companies have been reluctant to fund CCS individually, arguing that governments should also shoulder some of the financial risks.

One CCS expert noted that the pilot "shows what can be done if the state and company are aligned and have confidence in each other." This is a key consideration. The U.S. Department of Energy has its own plans for clean coal storage, but the kind of investment to which the article alludes is not even close to being on the table. President Bush has pledged only $2 billion over ten years. And the "all-of-the-above" mix that the two candidates for President espouse (with key differences) puts less of a premium on this kind of initiative--probably because the cost-benefit ratio remains high, and the prospect of shoving CO2 underground can't fail to elicit fears of slow leakage or a major burp that could render the whole gambit moot. (A fine primer here.) And I think there are other, more assured bets when it comes to investing in a green economy.

But I think a harmonic committment from the public and private sector is critical for even this more high-risk technology. I've written before that major capital investments are a critical component of any forward-looking American energy strategy. Happy then, that priorities are shifting toward the right place. Private/public partnerships may be easier in Germany, but the United States should strive to share best practices on CCS with Germany and other nations that have fast-tracked this (I won't say promising) technology. Or in other words, no pain, no gain.

--Dayo Olopade

Posted: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:35 PM with 16 comment(s)

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teplukhin2you said:

Time for an Energy Marshall Plan, on the same scale in real $$$ as the original one-- ie, ~$200B per year. This time, however, with equal contributions from each side of the Atlantic.

Combine EU-US (maybe also Japanese) scientific, technical, market and financial resources in order to accelerate the commercialization of alt energy technologies and take away Putin-Mobutu's energy blackmail card, the only real card he's got.

Also retrain many many thousands of workers on both sides fo the Atlantic in green collar jobs re. installation, servicing, design etc of all the alt energy equipment and peripherals.

As with Stalin and the coup in Czechoslovakia in 1948, Putin's drive to engineer a coup to overthrow Yushchenko in Ukraine should galvanize the West and win popular support for this new 21c Marshall Plan.

September 5, 2008 5:48 PM

sdemuth said:

Tep nails it.

September 6, 2008 10:18 AM

aeromonas said:

Call me skeptical on CCS.  Seems to me you're taking stably sequestered carbon--coal--and unstably sequestering it.  

I suppose natural gas lakes stay put underground for eons, so why wouldn't CO2.  Still it makes me edgy.  And if it'll require such a bloody big infrastructure investment to bring the technology online, why not put that money into much safer renewables?  The most reliably sequestered carbon is the carbon you never burn in the first place.

BTW, 2 miles underground doesn't seem that deep to me.  Anyone know how deep the a typical gas field might be?

September 6, 2008 10:19 AM

aeromonas said:

OK tep, one of the two major party presidential candidates is calling for a push on energy independence of the breadth and scale similar to what you've outlined.  Which one is it?

(Hint: He was not a POW.)

September 6, 2008 10:26 AM

aeromonas said:

A couple more technical questions: Is petroleum gas in gaseous or liquid phase underground?  Would CO2 also undergo a phase shift--to solid dry ice--under these pressures?  Or must it be dissolved in water?  If it's forced underground as-is, how much energy does it require to pump it down 2 miles?

September 6, 2008 10:45 PM

teplukhin2you said:

aero - he's calling for $15b per year, US only, no connection to Putin. Chump change and no nat-sec'y rationale or serious benefit.

I'm calling for min. $200b per year, and ONLY if it combines the resources of not just the US but ALL the allies, and is specifically aimed at preserving the gains of 1989 and liberating Germany and other EEur nations from being Putin's energy vassals. Even teh Japanese are getting nervous now about Putin's increasingly aggressive maneuvers in the Pacific such as violating Japanese airspace routinely.

September 8, 2008 2:19 AM

aeromonas said:

OK.  I missed your "per year."

Still, you're not looking to McCain for help on this, are you?  Opening the continental shelf?  $300 million prize for better battery powered car?  It's a joke.

As I said in an earlier E&E thread, the next 5 years will be critical in changing a pretty significant global warming scenario into a disastrous global warming scenario, and while if Obama gets elected the chances of meaningful action are depressingly small, if McCain gets elected, they're zilch.

September 8, 2008 10:08 AM

r-ennis said:

CO2 sequestration is close to reality. It requires government to mandate reduced carbon emissions tied to a cap and trade system or a carbon tax. If CO2 reduction is the desired outcome, this is the way to go. Wind and nuclear will also become attractive and there will be no need for massive government action. If punishing fossil fuel industries is the desired outcome, then spend all sorts of government money on alternatives that are no where near commercialization.  

It is Democratic propaganda that McCain has no energy policy except drilling. Please go to JohnMcCain.com and click on issues, then energy. I tried to link it here but could not.

September 8, 2008 10:27 AM

aeromonas said:

Nice try, r-ennis.

I'd already perused McCain's website a couple months back, but I took your cue and had a look at his "Climate Change" link.  (He has no separate link on energy.)

There's no there, there.  Other than saying that he favors a cap and trade emissions scheme and investment in advanced technology, there's nothing to it. No specifics.  How MUCH will he invest in advanced technology?  Not bloody much, I'd say, seeing how he's already going to blow the deficit into the stratosphere just trying to cover the Bush tax cuts, two wars, and the operating budget.  

"Climate Policy Should Be Built On Scientifically-Sound, Mandatory Emission Reduction Targets And Timetables"  

The phrase "scientifically-sound," that's the poison pill right there.  Why were they deemed necessary?  Does anyone support scientifically unsound policy?  Those weasel words are just GOP code telling anyone with half a brain that McCain won't do anything, cap-and-trade or anything else until such time as we've seen sufficient sea level rise that he can launch his yacht directly from the Capitol steps.

As for CO2 capture being ready for prime time, call me skeptical.  You really think that wherever coal is burned for fuel in whatever quantity it is burned, we can inject CO2 back into the ground and be sure that it will stay there?  For thousands of years?  The tonnage of CO2 that must be dealt with in this way is actually more than three times greater than the coal that is burned to produce it, and even if somehow you cool it or pressurize it to the point that it freezes into dry ice, it will still take up something like three times the volume of the coal that produced it.  Where's it all gonna go?  Most coal nowadays is taken from fairly close to the surface.  Obviously you can't backfill strip mines with CO2; it won't stay put.  So where does it sit?  The fundamental problem with carbon capture is that you take reduced (reduced as in oxidation/reduction) carbon in crystaline solid form--coal--and turn it into a volatile gas.  To be sequestered it has to be jammed into a container deep underground in a region geologically stable enough that we can be sure that cracks and fissures won't form over the next couple of centuries releasing the CO2 into the atmosphere.  And such sinks have to be capacious enough to accommodate 2 or 3 times the volume of the coal from whence the CO2 in question was derived.

If you know something I don't know, please tell me, but I don't care how successful the experiments have been pumping CO2 back into some depleted gas field.  Unless you can scale it up to cover all the coal that's burned and guarantee that the CO2 produced won't leach skyward, you don't have a viable technology, you've got a basket full of dog turds.

September 8, 2008 11:17 AM

teplukhin2you said:

McCain understands the nat-sec'y rationale, as does the green/nat-sec;y crowd around him. I'm thinking mainly of the Prius-driving ex-CIA Chief, James Woolsey.

So the chances that McC and CO will "get it" are probably not only higher than zilch but significantly higher than Obama's chances. It's about saving The West as a nation of free and independent, non-vassal states. Not about :saving the planet" per Pelosi's gasbaggery. Hence the deliberate use of the Marshall Plan precedent.

September 8, 2008 11:44 AM

teplukhin2you said:

correction: it's about saving * our nation* and The West * as a community * of free and independent states, etc

September 8, 2008 11:45 AM

aeromonas said:

You're projecting again, tep.  McCain has no past record nor has he made any present statement to suggest that he "gets" any such thing, any more than any candidate of either party can trot out the "energy independence" trope.

September 8, 2008 12:11 PM

aeromonas said:

t's about saving The West as a nation of free and independent, non-vassal states. Not about :saving the planet" per Pelosi's gasbaggery. "

Saving the "planet" is silly.  Saving the "environment" is critical.  More critical than saving Europe from Russia.

September 8, 2008 12:12 PM

r-ennis said:

CO2 reduction can occur with either a government mandate requiring reduced emissions, along the line of reduced sulfur and nitrogen emissions, or a flat out carbon tax. Either way, it will create the necessary incentives. the free market will determine how much nuclear and wind power will come in versus how many fossil burning plants will find successful ways to sequester. I am very suspicious of subsidies and other ways the government chooses to spend our money.

I know for a fact that sequestration is being developed commercially, with little or no government funding, in private by companies who have much to gain. Hence the secrecy. But, I attend energy conferences and enough is being fed out there to know that substantial private money is being invested, primarily by power companies and engineering/construction companies. The coal industry, lacking the proper expertise, is apparently taking a back seat to coal users.

Please, no insults or patronizing comments. I try to reply to comments without vitriol and I expect the same in return.

September 8, 2008 1:01 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Maybe so, aero. Perhaps this meme is simply ahead of its time. If and when one candidate embraces it-- again, the nat-sec;y, explicitly transatlantic anti-thug rationale, with appropriate scale and $$$-- he'll probably get my vote.

September 8, 2008 1:44 PM

Environment and Energy said:

With the recent financial upheaval and gloomy prognosis for the global economy, the price tag for alternative

September 24, 2008 5:51 PM