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20.05.2008
To Each His Own

In the column that Dayo references below, Paul Krugman says:

Still, if we’re heading for a prolonged era of scarce, expensive oil, Americans will face increasingly strong incentives to start living like Europeans--maybe not today, and maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of our lives.

Sounds about right. But Dayo goes even further:

[T]his is halfway stuff. Ideally, you’d want an urban infrastructure that reduced everyone’s work/play/life “commutes” to 20-minute walks, bikes and buses—if not shorter.

It seems to me there's an enormous difference between what Krugman's saying (if energy prices keep going up, people's lifestyle choices are likely to start changing in response) and what Dayo's saying, which I interpret to be that government should actively push people into higher-density lifestyles. What's wrong with government being neutral between various types of lifestyles? Maybe people will respond to higher energy prices by moving to cities--or maybe they'll decide they like suburban life enough that they're willing to buy smaller cars and spend a higher percantage of their income on transportation. Price genuine externalities as best you can, and let the chips fall where they may.

The reality, of course, is that government is nowhere close to being neutral between lifestyles. In a variety of ways (mortgage subsidies, huge highway budgets, minimal transit funding, restrictive zoning laws), the deck is heavily stacked in favor of low density. There's plenty that can be done to eliminate those distortions before you start going too far in the other direction. But it's always puzzled me why pro-urbanization liberals often insist on framing the debate by emphasizing the innate superiority of urban life. Under those circumstances, it's not hard to understand why some people are suspicious that the movement is less about environmental protection than about getting people to give up their cars and adopt a culturally "better" way of life.

--Josh Patashnik 

Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:55 PM with 11 comment(s)

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liberal reformer said:

We in Seattle are going Dayo's route. Mayor Greg Nickels is actively encouraging increased density, as Vancouver B.C. has done for quite some time.

May 20, 2008 7:03 PM

aeromonas said:

"Price genuine externalities as best you can, and let the chips fall where they may."

Okay.  But the market by itself cannot and will not accurately price fossil fuels with respect to their climate change cost.  Only governments will be able to accomplish the semi-accurate costing of climate change "externatlities."  And it is likely that if governments did intervene in this way, the sprawling suburban "lifestyle" would become so prohibitively expensive that most people would be pushed into denser communities.

May 20, 2008 8:59 PM

Josh Patashnik said:

aeromonas: In case it wasn't clear, I agree that government needs to intervene with some sort of carbon pricing scheme. But it isn't doing this because it prefers one type lifestyle to another, only because, absent government intervention, the true cost of an energy-intensive lifestyle is not reflected in its market price.

May 20, 2008 9:48 PM

teplukhin2you said:

I'm willing to bet that neither Krugman nor Dayo has kids.

Those of us culture- and urban amenity-lovers with small children are in a bind. There are very few family-friendly big cities on the planet. Those with low crime, green spaces and excellent mass transit (London, Moscow) are absurdly overpriced, and have terrible air as well. It's unconscionable to raise a child in a city whose smoggy air will cost him a significant amount of lung capacity for the rest of his life.

And yet the cultural offerings in the suburbs are dreadfully sparse, and dreadful where they exist. Spare the lungs, spoil the brain.

If we're to solve this problem, we're going to have to spend many many billions-- trillions, actually-- to re-tool infrastructure, provide incentives for big employers not to locate in cheaper office parks, and subsidize planned residential communities with their own outstanding schools and green space.

We'd have to turn our way of life on its head. I'd love to help do it-- and every day I sit in California traffic or ponder what an extraordinary waste is the city of San Jose, which has been given every possible gift and yet has accomplished nothing with them-- but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime. Consider: the global technology capital has not been able to provide even a third-world quality rail transport system between San jose and San Francisco (let alone LA and SJ-SF). The reason? Mall owners in the little sh*thole towns in between have been able to stymie it and force more traffic into their shitty little malls.

Only in America, as St Barry  would say

May 21, 2008 2:22 AM

aeromonas said:

tep, I half agree, though not so much with your "big cities and small kids don't mix" line of argument.  I have three kids under seven myself, and I do live in a suburban-style development (although here in Australia, the burbs are considerably denser with better local retail shopping than most places in the states) but I'd LOVE to be able to move my family to Manhattan, and I have the example of good friends with two yunguns to show me that New York is actually a pretty dam GOOD place to bring kids up with readier access to parks and more regular opportunities for physical exertion than what my kids have, not to mention the steady diet of brain food that you've already acknowledged.

So, really, the thing that's keeping my family out of the city isn't any belief that cities and family are incompatible, it's that the suburbs are where I've found a job.  And I reckon this is how it is for most folks, regardless of their druthers.  The pattern of economic and urban development in the US--and Australia too--has been one of urban sprawl, hence most opportunities for employment and housing are in the sprawling suburbs.

Suppose Dayo, Krugman, tep, and I got together to produce a nationwide educational campaign designed to persuade the American populace as to the environmental and social superiority of dense urban living and suppose as well that it turned out the most overwhelmingly effective educational intervention in history and we managed to persuade 90% of the public that they'd be infinitely better off if they just unloaded their 5 bedroom McMansions and their Honda Odysses and moved on up to the East Side or the Upper West Side or Park Slope or wherever.   What then?  Most would stay exactly where they are.  Like I said in a similar thread a few weeks back--and sort of what you, tep, said in your post--the infrastructure is already in place.  There's little opportunity for people to live a saner less sprawling existence, even if they want to.  Like you say, to change these ways of living will require a massive investment in new infrastructure, and not only that, it will cost a gazillion $$$ in lost value of existing infrastructure that ceases to be desirable under the new regime.  

May 21, 2008 7:37 AM

singlespeed said:

While Josh talks about his reluctance to have the government "encourage" folks to live closer to where they work, shop and go to school, he then talks of having the market be neutral and then says the government hasn't been neutral when it comes to encouraging suburban lifestyles.

The idea of growth for growth's sake has always taken on the form of sprawl. America is blessed and cursed with a wealth of developable land. The "neutrality" that people want in this case is to maintain the status quo but what Dayo, Krugman, urban planners and design professionals and other urban advocates are talking about is getting folks closer to their work, live and school locations. It isn't about moving everyone into high rises and having an asphalt lot as your "park". It's about rethinking and redesigning how we redevelop and reinvest in the older, first generation suburbs that have declined but are still at a higher density than newer suburbs. Zoning is one of the big hurdles to this. Many uninformed and overwhelmed small town/bedroom communities adopt zoning laws that are identical to 90% of the other small town/bedroom communities without actually addressing real issues or how they want to focus growth. Most enact zoning to exclude "unwanted" uses and users. I'm sure everyone has had the experience of going to almost any U.S. city and metropolitan area and they look almost identical including the beige suburbs. That isn't by accident.

There is no 'one size fits all" approach to urban planning but what mid-size cities and larger cities, that aren't approaching the megalopolis yet, can do is revamp their zoning laws that would allow greater density for mixed-use, commercial and residential development with overlap so that local retail, shopping, office buildings, schools and mixed density housing are in closer proximity to each other.

People have a strong case of NIMBYism when it comes to living next to other uses. I've done PUDs where low to middle income homeowners were adamant about whether or not our client's long-term stay business hotel was "wrong" for the neighborhood. He proposed apartments as an alternative and the people became livid about living next to "the wrong kind of people." Keep in mind this was a low income neighborhood next to mixed strip mall development at a busy intersection for town-to-town commuters from Longmont to Boulder.

Tep brings up valid issues but he also makes his own argument for redefining suburbs into higher  density places to work, play, live and educate. You have to address the zoning aspects to give developers, urban planners, zoning and planning boards and private land owners the tools to develop smarter, denser and higher than how we zone now. People who live in the suburbs all like to say they want shopping, schools and work to be closer but not so close that they have to see it. It has to be close enough to drive to but not too close to walk to.

As liberal reformer indicated about what's happening in Seattle with regards to encouraging redevelopment and higher density, Denver and other mid-size urban centers are doing the same. Getting affordable housing has always been the issue of living in the city, but more so in the suburbs where many people can't afford the note on the house or the transportation costs of driving. Affordable housing can be done with ordinances and development incentives where developers can build more units at higher density if they offer 10% or more as affordable housing and the rest at market rate.

My last issue is Josh's assertion that "pro-urbanization liberals often insist on framing the debate by emphasizing the innate superiority of urban living". I don't think it's emphasizing  a cultural superiority as it is emphasizing the pros and cons from an environmental and social aspect. Having lived in the suburbs, rural country and the city I can say that there are inherent advantages to living "in the city" and close to where I work. It's also worth noting what is meant by the word culture. Are we talking about suburban culture, urban culture or proximity to culture like museums, theater, concerts, festivals, etc.? It's not as if owning or renting a small home in the city proper keeps you from grilling in the backyard or using a leaf blower but you can paint your house purple if you like. Rural living is unique in and of itself. It was rewarding and very frustrating. As Edward Abbey once said "If you can't piss of your back porch, you live to close to your neighbor."

May 21, 2008 10:46 AM

singlespeed said:

tep and aeromanas...

I don't agree that you'd lose existing infrastructure or that it would require billions and trillions of dollards in retooling of existing infrastructure to rezone suburban commercial zones to higher density, mixed use zoning. All those strip mall developments can be redeveloped into mixed use developments including residential mixes without chewing up more land. Much of the strip-development is low density to begin with but within close walking distance. It's a matter of getting more uses on to the same piece of land to encourage folks to walk or ride a bike and reduce the acres of asphalt parking.

Putting in pedestrian access and bike lanes and reducing traffic lanes is easier to do than you think. But it takes political will of those municipalities to do so. Urban and Traffic departments can redesign their street specs to make them narrower, provide landscaped medians, bike paths and encourage folks to walk or ride a bike. But until you get the suburban folks to get out and push for those density changes it won't happen.

It is doable but the political will of the locals to encourage densification of suburbs is tough but I suspect it will happen soon and without much fanfare.

May 21, 2008 11:04 AM

robinmb said:

Philadelphia, which has suffered more from the invention of the automobile than any other older American city, is seeing its revival accelerate for precisely the reasons cited above. It's great for raising small kids. Lots of affordable housing. We have an intact rail system and the largest city park in America. We own one car, despite having an 11-year-old boy who does sports and a teen-aged daughter. A number of my friends own no cars. We actually have two separate car-sharing companies now. If only there were more urban bike paths.

May 21, 2008 11:10 AM

teplukhin2you said:

aero - if you're interested in setting up such a blog, email me.

I have a mind an information resource-cum-social networking site that is focused on-- you guessed it-- policy and lifestyle changes that "help the puppies, not the yuppies". Core topics include

-- family health

-- primary/secondary education policy-- quality, funding, access etc

-- urban planning, transport, child-rearing issues similar to what we've been discussing here

-- performing arts (availability, economics of)

-- family finances-- investing, taxes, public policy re same

-- consumer advice and recommendations for parents

-- environmental issues as they affect family health, residential living trade-offs for families etc

Not Parents Magazine but something more focused on the policy changes and broader cultural issues of interest to anyone with a good brain and hunger for a better way of living for himself and his family

You in?

t_thibaud@yahoo.com

May 21, 2008 1:35 PM

aeromonas said:

Sorry, tep, no can do.  As it is I'm trying to lick my Talkback addiction so I can devote more of my compositional energies to the novel that I'm writing (er, not writing?).  And if the Aussie authorities get around to letting me out of my public hospital cage where I'm stuck on account of being a foreigner, my medical practice will get considerably busier.  If I'm going to take up anything new, which is doubtful, it'll be surfing.  Those Bell's Beach barrels are just 20 minutes away, and they're calling out to me!

May 22, 2008 1:04 AM

singlespeed said:

aero...

I'm planning on coming to Oz this summer..er winter (mid-July) to work for a few years. Hopefully they give me a little freedom to work some magic and get some surfing time in. The DC tidal basin isn't exactly known for it's great swells.

May 22, 2008 1:59 PM